Here's a pic from frets.com of the old Martin joint.
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| Author: | mikemcnerney [ Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | neck/head joint |
When I was in barcelona last year I stumbled on a flamenco luthiers shop & he had a head joint that was some kind of sliding mortise & tenon at the 13 de. angle & it may have been dovetailed too. I tried, from memory, to mock one up yesterday with a dovetail, but not really sure if I got it the same way he did? It sure is strong however. It will be very timeconsuming. Are there any photos or designs out there in cyberspace? mike mcnerney |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: neck/head joint |
Your talking about a V-joint. A lot of classical builders use it. Joshua French did a superb tutorial on it for the forum some time ago, it can be found here: http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10102&t=10511&hilit=+joint+jfrench They take a bit of practicing to get right but are an elegant form of joint. Colin |
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| Author: | mikemcnerney [ Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: neck/head joint |
No that is not what I saw. It is more the way I descibed it. I'm going to try another one today & maybe I'll learn how to post a picture. mm |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: neck/head joint |
I saw a discussion somewhere about using a finger-joint on the head/neck joint. Could that be what you are talking about? |
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| Author: | Louis Freilicher [ Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: neck/head joint |
Here's a pic from frets.com of the old Martin joint.
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| Author: | Alan Carruth [ Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: neck/head joint |
That modified bridle joint is also called by one classical maker a 'Fussen V-joint'. It's what Hauser used. It's actually a fairly easy one to make and fit if you're good with a table saw. Julius Borges uses it on his Martin copies, and that's where I first saw one going together. |
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| Author: | Jimmy Caldwell [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: neck/head joint |
Alan Carruth wrote: That modified bridle joint is also called by one classical maker a 'Fussen V-joint'. It's what Hauser used. It's actually a fairly easy one to make and fit if you're good with a table saw. Julius Borges uses it on his Martin copies, and that's where I first saw one going together. Alan, Do you know of an instructional video or any other type of tutorial on how to execute this joint? |
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| Author: | mikemcnerney [ Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: neck/head joint |
OK here is a sample of what I remember. I'm calling it an open mortise & tenon. I cut the mortise on the TS with a dado 5/8" & the tenon on the TS with a sliding fixture set at 13 de. It is incredibly strong, & offers much more glue surface than the scarf joint. I hope folks will give me their opinion. Does it affect the ascetics of the final shaping at the back side? Mike McNerney |
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