I pull and push my vintage Stanley #12
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| Author: | dmills [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:54 pm ] |
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I’m currently working on my first set of flamed Koa and, after feeding the Wagner, ran it through my Jet 10-20 where it proceeded to burn faster than an Oscar Mayer at a Forth of July picnic even at the fastest feed rate and a light sanding cut. Is this typical of Koa by the way? Well, I grabbed my Stanly no. 80 cabinet scraper and it reminded me what it did best. No doubt a card scraper is the weapon of choice for curves, rosettes and fine work but the no. 80 really excels at flat work once the sole is lapped flat and the tool is fitted with a Hock replacement iron. The burn marks and last few thou of excess thickness disappeared with a few dozen strokes. My only caution when using these is they seem to want to chatter occasionally when the iron begins to dull or when you try to push the tool too quickly. You can usually pick these up pretty cheaply on eBay too. So, you ought to try one out the next time you need to do some heavy scraping. Your thumbs will thank you. |
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| Author: | peterm [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:15 pm ] |
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Koa tends to get a burned look as it gets sanded through a thickness sander but the last few passes with minimal removal will take away that burned look. I always thickness sand mine quite aggressively up until the last 10 to 15 thou and it always turns fine. BTW, clean sandpaper is recommended. |
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| Author: | Terry Stowell [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:19 pm ] |
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For years I have had a Stanley #80scraper body, but no blade. (missing the blade holder screws also, but common 3/16" screws) Hock is $26. Stanley is $4. Wow. Recommendations? |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:28 pm ] |
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Try that blue paper from Klingspor. Also get a 12x2x2 inch eraser to clean the paper (and use it often) Mike |
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| Author: | SteveCourtright [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:34 am ] |
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The No. 80 is one of my favorite tools. That Koa is looking mighty fine, Doug. |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:40 am ] |
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You push, Doug? I almost always pull a scraper. A little poll here: Who pushes? Pulls? BTW the Veritas version of the #80 is a nice tool. |
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| Author: | SteveCourtright [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:10 pm ] |
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Howard: I do both depending on a lot of factors. But I have better control pushing and do so about 90% of the time. |
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| Author: | Alain Moisan [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:28 pm ] |
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Generally, I push when I want to remove a lot of material and pull when approching final scraping. But sometimes it's just a question of where I am according to the position of the guitar and what I want to scrape. Grain orientation will also affect pulling or pushing in that situation. |
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| Author: | AndrewGribble [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:36 pm ] |
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+1 pull |
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| Author: | npalen [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:46 pm ] |
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I do one till the hands get tired and then the other for a while. Depends a lot on how the grain is acting also. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:52 pm ] |
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Quote John Kay 1967 " But I never done nothing my spirit could kill. I said ____ ____ the pusher man" I am a puller for the most part just the way I feel I have the best control |
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| Author: | Link Van Cleave [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:19 pm ] |
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One of the most under rated tools on the shop. I both pull and push. Link |
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| Author: | dmills [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:39 pm ] |
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I do both but pushing combines weight with arm strength and seems to allow greater force to be applied without loss of control. Are you cabinet scraper pullers also usually card scraper pullers? |
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| Author: | DYeager [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:41 pm ] |
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Push mostly, but let the wood decide. A Hock would be nice, but my Stanley stays sharp a long time, and why defer the pleasure of using a freshly prepped blade? |
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:19 am ] |
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I pull and push my vintage Stanley #12
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:52 am ] |
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Nice Thumb Screws, Arnt! 
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| Author: | L. Presnall [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:09 pm ] |
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Pull |
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| Author: | ChuckG [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:06 pm ] |
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Both push and pull. Pull for long smoothing strokes and push for small areas that just need a little more cleanup. |
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| Author: | jhowell [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:25 pm ] |
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MichaelP wrote: Quote John Kay 1967 " But I never done nothing my spirit could kill. I said ____ ____ the pusher man" I am a puller for the most part just the way I feel I have the best control This is the first thing that I thought of also.  I tend to pull about 90% of the time as I think I can feel what is happening better this way. Thanks for the tip on the No 80. I am also a fan of Hock steel -- they're a good companion to the old Stanley tools.
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:24 pm ] |
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WaddyT wrote: Nice Thumb Screws, Arnt! Thanks for noticing!  
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