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Author:  Matt Shumway [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:21 am ]
Post subject:  Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

So an idea occurred to me, what would happen if you added just a small amount of fish glue to the egg white before you used it to pore fill?
I have almost no experience with finishing, having only built one guitar, so maybe this is insane, but I did notice when I pore filled my first with egg white, it seemed that every time I sanded, I would end up opening up a lot of holes. Sometimes I seemed I was getting nowhere. I realize I only have a tiny bit of experience, so maybe it was just due to that, but I thought, if you added just a small bit of fish glue, you may get a nice egg white fill that was a little 'stiffer' than normal, and resistant to getting sanded out.

idunno

Author:  Chris aka Sniggly [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

Matt..... you are trying to solve a computer problem with a kitchen utensil! laughing6-hehe First you should do a small test, pretty cheap, to see how compatible they are. Second, I'm not sure the fish glue, compatibility not withstanding, is going to solve your pore penetration issue.

As Yoda would say, "Deeper you must go".

Are you whipping the whites and letting them sit a bit? Seems thinner might be better here. I know the egg white has a pretty good 'stand'.

Disclaimer - I've played with this but never in a really serious manner so I don't really qualify as an expert. I had thoughts though...and sometimes they help! :mrgreen:

Author:  WudWerkr [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

Bought Z-poxy and never looked back , easy to use and does a great job ! [clap]

Author:  Michael.N. [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

So is egg white. I guess that the OP is sanding far too aggressively, if fresh pores are being revealed. Don't try to fill the pores in one go. It usually takes 2 or 3 'coats' to get a complete pore fill.
I doubt that Fish Glue will solve the problem. Egg White is a pretty good binder. It also dries hard.

Author:  WaddyThomson [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

And Fish Glue takes 24 hours to cure, while egg white dries in a few hours.

Author:  Matt Shumway [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

Ok ok, maybe not so good of an idea after all. duh
:lol:

Author:  nickton [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

did you wet sand or dry sand? With oil, water, soapy water, or...? What grit did you use? Did you use the egg white before a few coats of finish or after? What kind of finish are you using? Just curious.

Author:  Matt Shumway [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

nickton wrote:
did you wet sand or dry sand? With oil, water, soapy water, or...? What grit did you use? Did you use the egg white before a few coats of finish or after? What kind of finish are you using? Just curious.



So.... many... questions.......!!!!

:)

I was dry sanding, once the egg white dried. It was a walnut back btw. Can't remember the grit, but it was somewhat fine. I think I used the egg white right on the bare wood, no previous coat of anything. Shellac went on top of it. It ended up fine, just seemed to take more applications of egg white than I thought would be necessary.

Author:  Kim [ Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

Matt,

Use the egg white straight from the shell and only very lightly mixed in a bowl. You do not want to whip the egg and then let it separate. That is just fine if you want to practice your tempera painting skills, but it will not work well for pore filling. It sounds to me like you are over working the slurry by trying to complete the fill in one go. That won't work because as the egg white slurry begins to thicken with wood dust, it begins to 'bridge' the pores. Everything will look fine and dandy but as soon as you sand back when its dry, you remove the bridging which reveals the pores again.

The technique requires a small area to be worked at a time and you must recharge the abrasive pad and move on to a fresh area while the slurry of the preceding is still quite wet. Allow the work piece to dry well, then sand and reapply in the same way and you should be done however some wood can take a 3rd application. Applied correctly, egg whites will fill every bit as fast as zpoxy and you do not have the sensitivity issues to worry about.

The biggest tip I can give is that grain filling with egg whites is like so many things 'you' will need to learn the process. Asking questions can help, but it is only though getting out there and doing it that 'you' will come to terms with it. The same thing goes for zpoxy, water based fillers, micro breads, what ever, if someone else has had success, then the method will also work for you just as long as you learn to apply them correctly.

The last thing you want to do, is to start thinking about mixing this product with that or that method with this, or trying to come up with a solution that will over come your lack of skill and experience. Going down that road will only add to your confusion and rob you of the valuable lesson to be found in your failures. There aint no quick fix, so pick a method and have perseverance and 'then' you will be rewarded with success.

Cheers

Kim

Author:  Matt Shumway [ Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Egg white pore fill, plus fish glue?

Thanks for the tips Kim, ill keep all that in mind on my second go around, which hopefully will be in the next month or so.

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