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Goodman 12 string (Stella style)
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Author:  Brad Goodman [ Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Goodman 12 string (Stella style)
I just finished this one-

This guitar has a 26-1/2" scale length- standard tuning tuned down 4 half steps to C -you can also go down to B.

The string are heavy-.066 (or .070) to .014's

This thing BOOMS!!

I call this model- "The Dyin' Crapshooter" ( AKA The Blind Willie Mctell model)

The last one I made had the tailpiece-otherwise the same basic construction definatley different sound.

I used hide glue for all the braces, and the bridge-Titebond 1 everywhere else.

Bolt on neck-(no tenon,butt joint)
Honduran monogomy body and neck.(Allied truss rod adjusted through soundhole/hole in brace)
Adi top and braces (ladder braced)
Ebony fretboard
Celluloid nitrate tortoise binding, rosette and heel cap
Brazilian rosewood head veneer and bridge
Stew mac vintage tuners
Bone bridge pins (I got from Filippo)
Nitro finish with shaded top
Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:54 pm ]
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Brad, you nailed that old Stella vibe. Seriously cool.

Steve
Author:  JJ Donohue [ Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:24 pm ]
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Tasty indeed, Brad. Nicely done!
Author:  WaddyThomson [ Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:14 pm ]
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Excellent, Brad! Great look.
Author:  Ken Franklin [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:26 am ]
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Beautiful guitar, Brad. I'm glad your Honduran hasn't been sleeping around. Might affect the sound.
Author:  Colin North [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:46 am ]
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Beaut! [:Y:] [clap]
Looks far too good to be a Stella "copy", needs lots of abuse!!
Author:  Joe Sustaire [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:42 am ]
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Way to go Brad, these things are a blast aren't they!
What size nut did you go with and what's your string spacing at the saddle?

Could you post a pic of your tailpiece 12 for comparison?
And maybe give us your thoughts on how the two compare, tailpiece vs. pinned bridge.

Thanks,
Joe
Author:  weslewis [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:28 am ]
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Very nice...what did you use for the body outline????!!
Author:  Bill Hodge [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:55 am ]
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Love the retro styling for sure. Excellent work!
Author:  nickton [ Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:09 pm ]
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Holy shmoly! That is one bad a#$@ cool guitar. Scary cool. I want to build one like that.
Author:  Brad Goodman [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:50 am ]
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Joe Sustaire wrote:
Way to go Brad, these things are a blast aren't they!
What size nut did you go with and what's your string spacing at the saddle?

Could you post a pic of your tailpiece 12 for comparison?
And maybe give us your thoughts on how the two compare, tailpiece vs. pinned bridge.

Thanks,
Joe


Hi Joe,
The nut is 1-7/8" wide.2-3/16 at the 12th fret. On the one before this I used 1-15/16, but I found it a little too wide-I tend to wrap my thumb to fret the low for some of the songs I play.

The string spacing at the saddle is 2-1/2".

The sound on the tailpiece one was a little more"strident" compared to the pin bridge.
I like the bass on this one better.

Here is the picture of the tailpiece one for comparison:
Author:  Brad Goodman [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:56 am ]
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weslewis wrote:
Very nice...what did you use for the body outline????!!


I used a couple of tracings-one that is on the internet that Dan Elwhine traced and one that Tim O'Neil (from this forum) was kind enough to send me. They were both from a 1920's Stella that Paul Geremia owned at one time.
Author:  Brad Goodman [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:01 am ]
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Filippo Morelli wrote:
Woaw that's hot. I'm about to build a classical with a C block and bolt on butt joint. Very nice guitar, Brad. I really like the headstock ... I'm a sucker for slotheads. Assume those are the vintage stewmac tuners?

Filippo


Hi Filippo,
Yes, they are the Vintage stew mac tuners-I really like them for this type of guitar,even though they are not "precision" machines.

I am almost finished with a "regular" type jumbo 14 fret 12 string with a paddle head that I am using the Gotoh "organic" (510?) tuners on.-Now T
they are PRECISION tuners!!
Author:  Terence Kennedy [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:56 pm ]
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I like that guitar!!
Author:  Freeman [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:29 pm ]
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Brad, let me add my kudos - lovely guitar with a completly vintage vib. Two years ago I built a "Stella-clone" - the two things that made it possible were the SM slot head tuners and the fact that NRP would sell me one of their twelve string tailpieces. I was interested in your comments about the sound differences between pinned and tailpiece, I had a similar discussion with Todd Cambio since he builds both. It will also be interesting to see how a pinned ladder braced guitar holds up compared to the tailpiece.

I had been stringing mine with 13 to 56 and tuning to C, but I just threw a set of Elderly's "Leadbelly" strings on it - 14 to 64 and tuned to B. I'm not crazy about the double octave 12th string, but I really do like the unison third course, and the thing is a monster tuned open and played with a slide.

Would love to hear some clips
Author:  Joe Sustaire [ Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:27 pm ]
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Thanks for the further info and the pic of the tailpiece 12 Brad, they both look great!
These guitars are a blast to play, quiet different than your typical git, I love em.

Joe
Author:  Brad Goodman [ Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:00 am ]
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Freeman wrote:
Brad, let me add my kudos - lovely guitar with a completly vintage vib. Two years ago I built a "Stella-clone" - the two things that made it possible were the SM slot head tuners and the fact that NRP would sell me one of their twelve string tailpieces. I was interested in your comments about the sound differences between pinned and tailpiece, I had a similar discussion with Todd Cambio since he builds both. It will also be interesting to see how a pinned ladder braced guitar holds up compared to the tailpiece.

I had been stringing mine with 13 to 56 and tuning to C, but I just threw a set of Elderly's "Leadbelly" strings on it - 14 to 64 and tuned to B. I'm not crazy about the double octave 12th string, but I really do like the unison third course, and the thing is a monster tuned open and played with a slide.

Would love to hear some clips


I didn't know Elderly was selling a Leadbelly set-I will have to check it out.
I have just been buying individual strings (D'addario).

I will do a clip soon of this one-I already have several youtube videos of me playing the Midnight Special (tailpiece) model.
Just search Brad Goodman guitar.
Author:  Freeman [ Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:31 pm ]
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Quote:

I didn't know Elderly was selling a Leadbelly set-I will have to check it out.
I have just been buying individual strings (D'addario).

I will do a clip soon of this one-I already have several youtube videos of me playing the Midnight Special (tailpiece) model.
Just search Brad Goodman guitar.


http://elderly.com/accessories/items/LBGS.htm

I'm probably going to go back to a standard one octave 12th string. I'll check out the vids, thanks, and I would love to hear the two back to back. And no intent to hijack the thread, here is my little Stella clone.

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Author:  Brad Goodman [ Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:08 pm ]
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Hi Freeman,
Gorgeous guitar! I saw when you posted it a while ago.
You said you got the tailpiece from National directly?
I bought mine from Elderly-it was $80-seemed a little steep,but it was the only one I could find.

What shape did you use for your 12?
Author:  Freeman [ Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:08 pm ]
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Brad Goodman wrote:
Hi Freeman,
Gorgeous guitar! I saw when you posted it a while ago.
You said you got the tailpiece from National directly?
I bought mine from Elderly-it was $80-seemed a little steep,but it was the only one I could find.

What shape did you use for your 12?


Thank you, this was the result of a lot of research and some blind stupid luck. There are several sets of drawings out there, mostly I think of Stefan Grossman's guitar, plus some information at Todd Cambio's site. I just sort of winged the bracing, top thickness, lots of other things. It is 26.5 scale length, a triple ought body ('cause I had the bending molds). My first attempt at scratch carving a neck - still a little clunkier than I would like. Adi over mahogany, big beefy ladder braces and 0.150 top thickness. I put a fairly large bridge plate in on the off chance I couldn't come up with the tailpiece and would have to pin it.

I happen to work in a metal fab shop and originally planned to try to make my own (Cambio does his) but when NRP came out with their twelve string I gave them a call and one was in the mail. It was similar price, but infinitely cheaper than trying to build the dies to press my own. You know about the tuners, that has been a big bug-a-boo with slothead 12s for quite a while - there is an old trick of cutting up mandolin tuners but fortunately SM came out with theirs (not the smoothest in the world but I guess that makes them more vintage)..

Anyway, you've open Pandora's box, so I have to show off. I'm trying to get some clips up comparing this to my home made OM 12 (D tuned) and my D12-28 (usually D, but I'd tune to E for the comparison). Also thinking of taking it to GAL and letting Mark play it for the Acoustic Listening seminar

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