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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:13 am 
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Put it on in the other direction?

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That's rubber adhesive on that tape.

For a better stick than rubber adhesive find some green 3m pinstripping tape...which has silicone adhesive. That will be less sensitive to heat.

If you want a good, permanent stick...find something with acrylic adhesive on it. Then....if that still doesn't work well enough you can treat the bearing with acrylic accelerant prior to appying the tape....which 3m makes...and I can't remember the number. Acrylic adhesive gets stronger with age. The accelerant gets it there in minutes. We used it to adhere 3m urethane tape to propeller leading edges. The centrifugal force would challenge the acrylic adhesive on the tape but the accelerant more or less made it a permanent part of the blade.

If you really need accelerant I might be able to dig up the number on an old computer but I doubt you're going to want to buy a quart of this stuff. :)

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Every time I've tried to put tape on a bearing I've either had problems with it coming off, or had challenges getting a consistent depth on the cut.

It's not perfect, but I had better luck running a strip or two of blue tape around the body where the bearing(s) rides.

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I use the aluminum tape for taping duct work joints. Buy it at any Lowe's. Seems to work pretty well. As others have said, it works better if I pay attention to the direction of rotation.

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Use Scotch 3M #2060 masking tape for hard to stick surfaces. Great for bearings and gluing binding, among other things.

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I used some copper tape I had on my bearing and it is staying on quite well.


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Fillippo , A REAL PRO doesnt need no stinkin tape pfft laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe

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I've had some luck using electrical tape. You can sort of stretch it around the bearing for a tighter fit. But, I now prefer running tape around the sides.

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I run tape around the sides too. I've never had much luck with tape on the bearing.

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Probably a dumb question, but what is the purpose of putting tape on the bearing?


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For what it's worth....pretty much all metal tapes are going to use acrylic adhesive. Not a guarantee mind you, but I haven't found a store bought aluminum or copper tape yet that didn't use acrylic adhesive.

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Put it on the wood.

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Wouldn"t useing the correct size bearing work better, instead of shimming it with tape?


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Mark Groza wrote:
Wouldn"t useing the correct size bearing work better, instead of shimming it with tape?


Yeah, I think hat's always the best thing to do if it's available.


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Therein lies the problem!

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I too have had better luck taping the sides than the bearing.

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What about all that wasted tape? gaah

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What about all that wasted tape? [quote]

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How long does it take to run a couple of strips of blue tape around a guitar body?

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Huh.. I've never had trouble with the tape on the body method.

Is the bearing binding?

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Could be seized with glue buildup between bearing and shaft. I keep my bits in a small plastic container filled with kerosene.
Helps prevent gunk buildup.

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Ridgid 2400 is under $100 last time I checked. Changing height can be a pain, but getting the bearing right where you want it is a breeze.


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Lex -

thanks for posting that picture ! I did not know the guide existed - I have the 2401 (I think) which did not come with the guide but is a great router -

do you do all your bindings with this ? How does it work ?

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I made a binding machine I copied from Chris Paulick's video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve_PmQMSnQQ (Thanks Chris I love your videos).
He uses an adjustable depth of cut guide so you don't need any bearings when doing the sides. Work's good for me too. Doesn't solve the problem of routing out other areas though.

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