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I'm making something similar to the Enhanced Slotting Jig Stephen and Lance produced a few years ago. If my template weren't acrylic I wouldn't worry about it, but I'm concerned about screwing up the holes. Think it's a needless concern?

Zeke, I'm looking at either 1/8" or 3/32" inner diameter, 5/16" outer, 1/4" tall. Then 1/4" inner, appropriate outer, by a 1/4" tall.

You could try LeeValley. Not headless, not a great range of sizes, but you might be able to work something up.

Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for "SELL". We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know.

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Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for "SELL". We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know.

Zeke , This could be a small side job for you , making some bushings at reasonable price , and letting the masses here know . :shock:

WudWerkr wrote:

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Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for "SELL". We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know.

Zeke , This could be a small side job for you , making some bushings at reasonable price , and letting the masses here know . :shock:

Haha. I am not a big fan of side jobs lol. They seem to be a lot of hassle. That said I wouldn't mind making up a small batch of bushings if there is enough interest. I know ive already been contacted by one person other than James who seems interested in some. I there is a demand for it and we can get it down to one or two sizes I can whip some up for next to nothing in price. Pretty much the shipping would be what i would need to charge for. Maybe $1 a piece for the bushing itself, just to cover the tooling.

So, if this is ok with Lance, and there is interest I can look into this.

ZekeM wrote:

WudWerkr wrote:

[quote]Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for "SELL". We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know.

Zeke , This could be a small side job for you , making some bushings at reasonable price , and letting the masses here know . :shock:

1/8 is also better for me. Seems like it would be easier to find dowels in that size as well. So are you planning on a press fit or will you be gluing these in? If its a press I'll have to keep the OD tolerances pretty tight, but you will also have to ream the holes that you will be pressing it into. Which means deciding on a reamer size so can make the bushings match. If you are just wanting to drop them in and glue em I'll just get them at .250" +/- .002". And they should go right in with some glue to hold and no one will have to worry about buying a reamer.

this is kinda funny, i've been doing the same thing for a couple of years now. never saw this video -small world. :lol:

fwiw, i use 3/32" plastic fretboard side marker rod stock for pins.

Author:	James Orr [ Tue May 21, 2013 5:14 pm ]
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I'm looking for some headless drill/guide bushings. MSC, Grainger, and McMaster-Carr all carry them, but they're more than I was expecting ($10-15 each). Is that really market rate, or is there a cheaper source?

Author:	Kent Chasson [ Tue May 21, 2013 6:22 pm ]
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I've always ended up at McMaster Carr. Hardened steel plus precision milling equals expensive. You might get lucky on ebay.

Author:	Trevor Gore [ Tue May 21, 2013 6:32 pm ]
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You could try LeeValley. Not headless, not a great range of sizes, but you might be able to work something up.

Author:	ZekeM [ Tue May 21, 2013 7:38 pm ]
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You just need a bushing? What size and what for?

Author:	Tom West [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:07 pm ]
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For work like most of us do you don't need precision machining or hardened bushing. Regular machined steel should work fine. Tom

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Author:	WudWerkr [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:12 pm ]
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They are available for much less , however most places mark them up several 100% because of the small amount people want . Its crazy , but thats way it is.

Author:	James Orr [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Source for headless drill/guide bushings
I'm making something similar to the Enhanced Slotting Jig Stephen and Lance produced a few years ago. If my template weren't acrylic I wouldn't worry about it, but I'm concerned about screwing up the holes. Think it's a needless concern? Zeke, I'm looking at either 1/8" or 3/32" inner diameter, 5/16" outer, 1/4" tall. Then 1/4" inner, appropriate outer, by a 1/4" tall.

Author:	WudWerkr [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:21 pm ]
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James Orr wrote: I'm making something similar to the Enhanced Slotting Jig Stephen and Lance produced a few years ago. If my template weren't acrylic I wouldn't worry about it, but I'm concerned about screwing up the holes. Think it's a needless concern? Zeke, I'm looking at either 1/8" or 3/32" inner diameter, 5/16" outer, 1/4" tall. Then 1/4" inner, appropriate outer, by a 1/4" tall. Zeke works in machine shop , best bet for sure

Author:	ChuckB [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:24 pm ]
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James, I get my drill guide bushings here; http://www.profhdwr.com/66120.htm Chuck

Author:	ZekeM [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:27 pm ]
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What did you expect them to cost? If you were expecting $10-$15 a piece then they are certainly in that price range. If not then you could probably make your own out of some regular steel or stainless. Have you considered just doing that?

Author:	ZekeM [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:51 pm ]
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Ok I just watched that video and I see what you are doing. The 1/4 bushings will be unnecessary as it will take thousands upon thousands of fretboards to wear the acrylic by just sliding in a locating pin. The drill holes however could use a bushing. I don't think that a hardened steel bushing is necessary though. It's not going to see a lot of use and I think that just some mild steel or stainless will do the job. You can make your own very easily or if you know any machinist they could probably whip you some out in no time at all. If you don't know anyone, well..... You know me and I could whip something up for you. I'm now asking everyone except James to close their eyes and plug their ears! Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for free. We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know.

Author:	Alex Kleon [ Tue May 21, 2013 9:08 pm ]
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I'm now asking everyone except James to close their eyes and plug their ears! Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for free. We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know. OOOH! Me too me too me too! Just kidding! Alex

Author:	Darryl Young [ Tue May 21, 2013 10:34 pm ]
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Japan Woodworker had a good price on drill guide bushings back when I ordered some. Not sure if they have a headless version.

Author:	Terence Kennedy [ Wed May 22, 2013 7:48 am ]
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I've gotten all mine from Woodworker Supply. http://woodworker.com/18x38x12-drill-bu ... archmode=2

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Author:	Dave Stewart [ Wed May 22, 2013 8:00 am ]
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Trevor Gore wrote: You could try LeeValley. Not headless, not a great range of sizes, but you might be able to work something up. Really, LV pricing (about the same as"professional") is pretty good, although they're not headless (although I suppose you could countersink them if flush was mandatory). In theory you could have a pile of inserts & only a few bushings you move around. ooops.... didn't see Terrence's post...pretty good deal

Author:	WudWerkr [ Wed May 22, 2013 8:08 am ]
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Quote: Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for "SELL". We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know. Zeke , This could be a small side job for you , making some bushings at reasonable price , and letting the masses here know .

Author:	ZekeM [ Wed May 22, 2013 8:19 am ]
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WudWerkr wrote: Quote: Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for "SELL". We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know. Zeke , This could be a small side job for you , making some bushings at reasonable price , and letting the masses here know . Haha. I am not a big fan of side jobs lol. They seem to be a lot of hassle. That said I wouldn't mind making up a small batch of bushings if there is enough interest. I know ive already been contacted by one person other than James who seems interested in some. I there is a demand for it and we can get it down to one or two sizes I can whip some up for next to nothing in price. Pretty much the shipping would be what i would need to charge for. Maybe $1 a piece for the bushing itself, just to cover the tooling. So, if this is ok with Lance, and there is interest I can look into this.

Author:	WudWerkr [ Wed May 22, 2013 9:02 am ]
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ZekeM wrote: WudWerkr wrote: Quote: Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for "SELL". We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know. Zeke , This could be a small side job for you , making some bushings at reasonable price , and letting the masses here know . Haha. I am not a big fan of side jobs lol. They seem to be a lot of hassle. That said I wouldn't mind making up a small batch of bushings if there is enough interest. I know ive already been contacted by one person other than James who seems interested in some. I there is a demand for it and we can get it down to one or two sizes I can whip some up for next to nothing in price. Pretty much the shipping would be what i would need to charge for. Maybe $1 a piece for the bushing itself, just to cover the tooling. So, if this is ok with Lance, and there is interest I can look into this. If there is a big enough demand for them in 1 size I can buy them at reasonable cost .... Not as cheap as u , but still better cost that onsies twosies

Author:	ZekeM [ Wed May 22, 2013 9:25 am ]
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WudWerkr wrote: ZekeM wrote: WudWerkr wrote: [quote]Ok, if you would like I can get you something made up for "SELL". We would just need to work out some dimensions. Just let me know. Zeke , This could be a small side job for you , making some bushings at reasonable price , and letting the masses here know . Haha. I am not a big fan of side jobs lol. They seem to be a lot of hassle. That said I wouldn't mind making up a small batch of bushings if there is enough interest. I know ive already been contacted by one person other than James who seems interested in some. I there is a demand for it and we can get it down to one or two sizes I can whip some up for next to nothing in price. Pretty much the shipping would be what i would need to charge for. Maybe $1 a piece for the bushing itself, just to cover the tooling. So, if this is ok with Lance, and there is interest I can look into this. If there is a big enough demand for them in 1 size I can buy them at reasonable cost .... Not as cheap as u , but still better cost that onsies twosies[/quote] And I'm sure the ones you buy will be hardened and precision ground. So better quality. If I make them I'm just gonna turn some barstock on a lathe and poke a hole in em. But it'll do unless there is a large demand in which case it would be better for you to get them. Guess it all comes down to how many are needed.

Author:	James Orr [ Wed May 22, 2013 10:01 am ]
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Zeke, you're awesome. I just want to keep the inner diameter to an 1/8" or 3/32", 1/4" OD, 1/4" tall. I'd prefer 1/8" ID, but I'm not glued to it if someone else out there wants the 3/32".

Author:	ZekeM [ Wed May 22, 2013 10:12 am ]
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1/8 is also better for me. Seems like it would be easier to find dowels in that size as well. So are you planning on a press fit or will you be gluing these in? If its a press I'll have to keep the OD tolerances pretty tight, but you will also have to ream the holes that you will be pressing it into. Which means deciding on a reamer size so can make the bushings match. If you are just wanting to drop them in and glue em I'll just get them at .250" +/- .002". And they should go right in with some glue to hold and no one will have to worry about buying a reamer.

Author:	James Orr [ Wed May 22, 2013 10:53 am ]
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ZekeM wrote: 1/8 is also better for me. Seems like it would be easier to find dowels in that size as well. So are you planning on a press fit or will you be gluing these in? If its a press I'll have to keep the OD tolerances pretty tight, but you will also have to ream the holes that you will be pressing it into. Which means deciding on a reamer size so can make the bushings match. If you are just wanting to drop them in and glue em I'll just get them at .250" +/- .002". And they should go right in with some glue to hold and no one will have to worry about buying a reamer. Lets just call it a job for some CA glue

Author:	arie [ Wed May 22, 2013 10:58 am ]
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this is kinda funny, i've been doing the same thing for a couple of years now. never saw this video -small world. fwiw, i use 3/32" plastic fretboard side marker rod stock for pins.

Author:	ZekeM [ Wed May 22, 2013 10:59 am ]
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Sounds like a winner to me. So we got a .250 OD .125 ID .250 OAL bushing. I think I've got some scrap stainless rod around here to make it out of. Now I just need to know how many I'll be making.

Author:	ZekeM [ Wed May 22, 2013 11:23 am ]
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arie wrote: this is kinda funny, i've been doing the same thing for a couple of years now. never saw this video -small world. fwiw, i use 3/32" plastic fretboard side marker rod stock for pins. Never thought of using side marker stock. Possibly a better solution than sourcing 1/8" dowels. I can do either 1/8 or 3/32. Whichever the demand seems to be more of. Or I can do 1/2 and 1/2 if it's a split crowd.