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Author: | sdsollod [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:38 am ] |
Post subject: | tucking lower x-brace legs... |
I have not been tucking my lower x-brace legs... Do you? |
Author: | jfmckenna [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
I do because that's how I learned it. In theory it will help lock the brace in place and prevent it from coming loose in the event of a bump or such a thing. In practice however I don't think it matters and you may have a more free vibrating plate the way you do it but I'll leave that up to the experts to discuss. |
Author: | Colin North [ Mon May 12, 2014 10:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
I used to but the last couple I've not tucked them. Haven't made enough to tell what difference it makes, and I'd have to do parallel builds to test, and even then probably several of them. |
Author: | david farmer [ Mon May 12, 2014 10:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
As repair and sometimes builder I have always been a little conflicted about this. when I build, I tuck because it makes me feel more secure. when I repair loose or broken braces I often wish they were un-tucked to ease the repair. Some have pointed out how frequently they see loose un-tucked braces (old Gibson back braces for example) but this is at least somewhat offset by the ease of repair. Especially if Hide glue was used. If not tucking, the brace ends tapered not too thick, not too thin, and glued well becomes more important. Just my 2 pennies. |
Author: | kencierp [ Mon May 12, 2014 10:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
Most modern designs call for the lower bout to be more of a drum skin or diaphragm. Taylor even routes a channel all around the perimeter of the lower bout - I personally agree with this trend. Seems we are looking for the sound board to be very responsive, so there is a balance between structural integrity and freedom of movement. |
Author: | meddlingfool [ Mon May 12, 2014 11:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
I don't. |
Author: | Terence Kennedy [ Mon May 12, 2014 11:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
I don't either. |
Author: | James Ringelspaugh [ Mon May 12, 2014 1:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
Never have, likely never will. I do tuck the upper X's and UTB though. |
Author: | bluescreek [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
I do tuck the only braces on the top that I tuck are the structural braces the X and transverse. |
Author: | Hesh [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
I cut my lower X-brace legs off and throw them away.... ![]() Some great posts above with David's and Ken's being excellent in my view. I don't tuck either and also being a repair guy my life is easier when they are not tucked but not by much. I'm also after a freer top and not only don't tuck but I also thin the edges as Ken mentioned. Now here is some more food for thought. If I know where the instrument will end up, who is the client, I might consider tucking if it looks like the thing will be subject to abuse. A hard knock of the lower bout can free a brace unexpectedly but when tucked this is theoretically perhaps a bit less likely but still happens. OTOH if I know that the instrument will be played by the sort who is less likely to leave it on the sofa in a crowded dorm room during a beer drinking contest... I won't tuck. In my experience I have seen both come loose but not without being well provoked. I also agree that what is perhaps more important is that the brace is well clamped and glued, glue protocols are observed for the glue of choice, etc. I do tuck the uppers and of course the UTB too. |
Author: | kencierp [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
Here you can see how far back the brace end are from the linings on the R Taylor models (I know, I know -- factory guitars but I think they sound very nice) http://www.rtaylorguitars.com/Woods-Bracing-03.aspx Hey, a side bar -- note to those worried about a poor "X" intersection joint -- look close. |
Author: | Hesh [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
Ken I spell it "f*ctory" guitars since "cussing" is not permitted on the OLF... ![]() BTW I'm a Taylor fan too. |
Author: | Bob Matthews [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: tucking lower x-brace legs... |
kencierp wrote: http://www.rtaylorguitars.com/Woods-Bracing-03.aspx Hey, a side bar -- note to those worried about a poor "X" intersection joint -- look close. And a badly fitted bridge plate to boot! |
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