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| Author: | Cablepuller [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rounded bindings |
Hi Just wondering what the common concensus is on binding shape Thinking about rounding off the corner edge rather than squared. Seen alot of photos of this on google and like the look I have persevered and fitted wood (ripple maple) binding currently unsanded and still sqaure edged.. Is there a tool i can make to get a consistent curved edge or is it sandpapered by eye or summit else Thank you |
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| Author: | kencierp [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I really like the look and feel of rounded binding edges -- I did that on all classicals. I used Ebony binding with an additional wide Ebony purfling - than regular WBWB purfling. The extra Ebony purf strip eliminated hassle of bending thick Ebony and gave the required width for a large radius round over. |
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| Author: | Cablepuller [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
kencierp wrote: I really like the look and feel of rounded binding edges -- I did that on all classicals. I used Ebony binding with an additional wide Ebony purfling - than regular WBWB purfling. The extra Ebony purf strip eliminated hassle of bending thick Ebony and gave the required width for a large radius round over. Not got a really wide binding to play with ken but still want a rounded curve look How did you curve yours Cheers 
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| Author: | Colin North [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I just round over the edges evenly to taste with P120 on an eraser, and then go to whatever you finish sand with. Wouldn't use a scraper for any rippled wood to round over....... P.S. don't round off under where the fretboard goes! DAMHIND |
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| Author: | Heath Blair [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I use a small file and some sandpaper to round over the edge on binding. Easy, relatively quick, looks and feels nice. |
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| Author: | J De Rocher [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
Definitely rounded over. Like Colin, I sand the curve into the binding. Adhesive backed 120 on a small flat block and on a 1 to 2" diameter tube for the binding in the waist. One approach is to start by sanding a bevel into the sharp edge of the binding at a 45 degree angle to the sides and top or back. Make the width of the bevel consistent all the way around and then go back and round over the corners of the bevel. It's a lot easier than you might think to get a nice final shape. |
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| Author: | Cablepuller [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
Colin North wrote: I just round over the edges evenly to taste with P120 on an eraser, and then go to whatever you finish sand with. Wouldn't use a scraper for any rippled wood to round over....... P.S. don't round off under where the fretboard goes! DAMHIND Goodpoint about the fretboard didnt think about that..cheers |
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| Author: | Cablepuller [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
J De Rocher wrote: Definitely rounded over. Like Colin, I sand the curve into the binding. Adhesive backed 120 on a small flat block and on a 1 to 2" diameter tube for the binding in the waist. One approach is to start by sanding a bevel into the sharp edge of the binding at a 45 degree angle to the sides and top or back. Make the width of the bevel consistent all the way around and then go back and round over the corners of the bevel. It's a lot easier than you might think to get a nice final shape. Good idea about the bevel..cheers |
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| Author: | Imbler [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I use sandpaper like most have posted. I've seen many a video of people using scrapers, and I used to, but it is pretty easy to get chipping on the binding. Mike |
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| Author: | Clay S. [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
You can use a 1/8th inch roundover bit to round over most of the binding and then finish it up by hand. Don't roundover the binding under the fingerboard extension. 
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| Author: | DennisK [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
For straight grained rosewood, a scraper tends to work best. Softer and/or curly woods, I do most of the rounding with a rasp and then file and sand to clean up. Just go by eye. I like heavily rounded bindings. With narrow purfling, the curve extends into the soundboard wood a bit. Your binding looks practically square though, so I think it would look best to round it so the curve flattens out right where the binding meets the purfling and the side. Probably don't need a rasp for that. Just file/sand. |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
You definitely don't want to leave the edges square. The guitar will be terribly uncomfortable to play because the edge will dig into the player. Ask me how I know  .Try the search feature on this by searching for things like, "breaking binding edges," "rounding binding edges," and so on. You'll find a dozen great threads on method! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
Ok, I probably have one of every tool and two of some. But it just seems to me that this begs simple sandpaper. Watch me sit back and get learned a lesson.  Mike 
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| Author: | Dave Livermore [ Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I use a strip of cloth back 120 grit sand paper and run it in a flossing motion until I get the shape I am after, then follow up with finer grits. Don't round over under the fingerboard extension. |
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| Author: | Pmaj7 [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I don't think anyone's mentioned it yet, but don't sand under the fretboard extension. |
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| Author: | Cablepuller [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
Early in my career, I tried just about every method. I had a router bit made with a 1/16" round over, YUCK! I bought these need little planes that create a round over but they wouldn't work on the inside curves. Tried files and rasps. Not to my liking. Tried wooden and rubber cauls with abrasive which got closer but still not to my liking. Final solution: I knock off the sharp corner with a straight edge razor blade (scraper will work well here too but I'm a master of the razor blade ![[:Y:]](./images/smilies/smiley20.gif "Thumbs Up") ) Then a piece of 120 and my thumb. As it turns out the fat of my thumb makes a perfect caul for this process. Just enough relief to get the perfect radius. Being careful to apply most of the pressure on the top of the binding rather than the side of the binding. Otherwise it's easy to get a thin spot. This is a case where the K.I.S.S. really worked best for me. |
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| Author: | Haans [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I was with the "fat thumb, 120 grit" crowd. |
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| Author: | Greg B [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
Rounded bindings are comfortable. Most classicals have somewhat rounded bindings. Square bindings with the edge barely taken off look crisp and sharp, and are traditional on steel strings. No reason you can't round them more though. It can look nice if the aesthetics all match up. Seems most people would consider rounded bindings to be those with about 1/16" radius. I agree a roundover bit is not going to work well for anything less than 1/8"R, which is way more than most people would go. I've done 1/8" though on a semi experimental instrument, and it sure feels nice. At some point I want to build an acoustic with 1/4" roundovers and electric guitar aesthetics. Next project....
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| Author: | Alex Kleon [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
Finish doesn't like to stick to a sharp edge. Alex |
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| Author: | J De Rocher [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
Alex Kleon wrote: Finish doesn't like to stick to a sharp edge. Alex That's a great point.  Sharp edges also invite dings.
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
pat macaluso wrote: I don't think anyone's mentioned it yet, but don't sand under the fretboard extension. Very good point |
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| Author: | Brad Goodman [ Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I use a razor blade with a hooked edge. First I scrape a 45 degree bevel near the top all the way around the guitar, then I do it again by the side then I blend the three facets into the rounded edge with 120 grit paper.. The whole process takes about 20 minutes or so. I start with the neck temporarily attached so I don't round under the fretboard . |
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| Author: | Josh H [ Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I use an ⅛" round over set slightly shallow. This doesn't totally round over the binding, but speeds up the process instead of doing it entirely by hand. Once I quickly run around the edges with the round over bit I go back with my 120 and finish shaping the binding to my liking. Follow that up with 150 and 220 when I do the final sanding on the body. |
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| Author: | SteveSmith [ Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rounded bindings |
I use 220 on a drafting eraser. |
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