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Author:  David Collins [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:30 pm ]
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Probably not the most exciting video you'll see, but perhaps of interest to the kind of diehard guitar geeks lurking about places like this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yCLckbp8ps
Author:  Link Van Cleave [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:14 am ]
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Maestro.

Thanks Dave.
Author:  Joe Beaver [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:41 am ]
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That was excellent David, quite illuminating.

Thanks!!!
Author:  Joe Beaver [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:41 am ]
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That was excellent David, quite illuminating.

Thanks!!!
Author:  Hesh [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:33 am ]
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Just a reminder that if you liked this video that Dave Collins put together we have many original videos on our video page of our web site.

Enjoy!

http://www.annarborguitars.com/styled-4/index.html
Author:  Durero [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:52 pm ]
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That was great!

I'm so glad to learn those explanations for such seemingly arbitrary scale length choices.

Thanks very much Dave.


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Author:  J De Rocher [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:13 pm ]
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Excellent video, David. Thanks for posting it.
Author:  SteveSmith [ Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:48 pm ]
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Great explanation - appreciated!
Author:  dpetrzelka [ Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:20 pm ]
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Hesh,

I love Dave's thorough, yet nicely paced explanation of strategy/approach/process to repair ( Gibson Plastic Bridge Replacement for example) - between your posts, and his videos I have learned so much. Can't thank you enough.

I would love to see more videos speaking to the specifics of the tools you've built/use.

Hesh wrote:
Just a reminder that if you liked this video that Dave Collins put together we have many original videos on our video page of our web site.

Enjoy!

http://www.annarborguitars.com/styled-4/index.html
Author:  Hesh [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:24 am ]
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Thanks very much for your kind comments Daniel! Much appreciated!

After we started Ann Arbor Guitars one of the fist things that we did was get some nice camera equipment, professional lighting, and Final Cut Pro so that Dave could do his videos and it's been fun ever since. We get contacted every week by folks all over the place with questions that were generated from our videos. We don't accept shipped in work so at times we wonder why we do it but never have to wonder too long because both Dave and I have been life long guitar junkies from our earliest days.

For me coming very much from a builder/OLF perspective the repair side is VERY different in so much as the kinds of things that are seemingly much more important now seem to be much more centered around the intended function of guitars and other plucked, stringed instruments. I used to agonize over a rosette design now I agonize over if so and so a semi-famous player will be able to bend one whole step before the trem on his strat that I set flat for greater tuning stability will just start to lift. :) Or in other words the wood working project has very much morphed into a "tools for musicians" project and this just kind of brings it full circle for me too.

This particular video will help us help our clients. Since guitars do not have perfect temperament now we have something to direct our clients to if they are interested and this subject does come up in our world frequently as well.

We also learn from our videos and I most certain learn from Dave every single day. Electrics are still not my expertise but I completely enjoy them all the same and lately find myself playing my strat and PRS perhaps more than the acoustics that I built.

It's probably an obsession but likely one of the more healthy obsessions on the obsession spectrum...:) Thanks for your kind comments that means a LOT to us, much appreciated!
Author:  jeb98 [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:18 pm ]
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Keep it up guys!!! Definitely appreciate the expertise being shared.

Jonas
Author:  RustySP [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:44 pm ]
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Hesh!
What's the name of that awesome tool in the video seen being used for measuring the fret spacing or scale length and where can I get one?
Author:  Hesh [ Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:10 am ]
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Hey Rusty I think it's simply called a long caliper but I most certainly could be wrong. We live in the land of the University of Michigan and every Thursday the University places unwanted stuff at their public, retail outlet called University Stores. Dave is a frequent flyer there and we've scored all manner of cool stuff from them including the original ball bearing slides that Dave used to make the original prototype of the Collins Saddle mill.

We have two of these long calipers and Dave's been doing a study for nearly a decade now of fret spacing and populating a database with around 400 instruments now, many vintage and their respective scale lengths and more importantly the fret spacing error found. That's why we originally sought out long calipers.
Author:  gregorio [ Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:28 am ]
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OK, now your scaring me....
I'm really going to have to watch that a few times through!
Thanks
Author:  rlrhett [ Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:37 pm ]
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Very informative, and makes me feel a bit justified in using 2root12 over an even 25" scale rather than trying to copy the odd "Gibson" and "Martin" scales. Thank you.


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Author:  Chris Pile [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:50 am ]
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I finally got around to watching the video.... I had no idea of the history of such a big mess. Will have to watch again, I think.... Didn't quite understand everything Dave was saying.
Author:  Hesh [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:03 pm ]
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Chris Pile wrote:
I finally got around to watching the video.... I had no idea of the history of such a big mess. Will have to watch again, I think.... Didn't quite understand everything Dave was saying.


Chris buddy I wanted to share a funny story with you.

Around ten years ago when I was Dave's apprentice I was at my bench regluing a bridge on a Harmony Sovereign and Dave was telling me something. At one point he asked me if I was nodding my head yes because I understood him or because that's what I always do, nod my head..... :) At that point I told him that I didn't understand everything that he was saying but didn't want to appear to be stupid.... :D

Dave's very used to questions so if you have any feel very free to bring them up.
Author:  Shaw [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:53 pm ]
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Hesh wrote:
Thanks very much for your kind comments Daniel! Much appreciated!

After we started Ann Arbor Guitars one of the fist things that we did was get some nice camera equipment, professional lighting, and Final Cut Pro so that Dave could do his videos and it's been fun ever since. We get contacted every week by folks all over the place with questions that were generated from our videos. We don't accept shipped in work so at times we wonder why we do it but never have to wonder too long because both Dave and I have been life long guitar junkies from our earliest days.

For me coming very much from a builder/OLF perspective the repair side is VERY different in so much as the kinds of things that are seemingly much more important now seem to be much more centered around the intended function of guitars and other plucked, stringed instruments. I used to agonize over a rosette design now I agonize over if so and so a semi-famous player will be able to bend one whole step before the trem on his strat that I set flat for greater tuning stability will just start to lift. :) Or in other words the wood working project has very much morphed into a "tools for musicians" project and this just kind of brings it full circle for me too.

This particular video will help us help our clients. Since guitars do not have perfect temperament now we have something to direct our clients to if they are interested and this subject does come up in our world frequently as well.

We also learn from our videos and I most certain learn from Dave every single day. Electrics are still not my expertise but I completely enjoy them all the same and lately find myself playing my strat and PRS perhaps more than the acoustics that I built.

It's probably an obsession but likely one of the more healthy obsessions on the obsession spectrum...:) Thanks for your kind comments that means a LOT to us, much appreciated!

Hesh great videos. Thanks to you and David for sharing. I remember that you used to have a link to a bunch of toots you posted over the years. Stuff from the OLF and what not. Do you still have a link for that stuff? I remember you having one on the Ann Arbor site. If not thanks anyways for the great videos.

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Author:  Hesh [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:39 am ]
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Shaw wrote:
Hesh wrote:
Thanks very much for your kind comments Daniel! Much appreciated!

After we started Ann Arbor Guitars one of the fist things that we did was get some nice camera equipment, professional lighting, and Final Cut Pro so that Dave could do his videos and it's been fun ever since. We get contacted every week by folks all over the place with questions that were generated from our videos. We don't accept shipped in work so at times we wonder why we do it but never have to wonder too long because both Dave and I have been life long guitar junkies from our earliest days.

For me coming very much from a builder/OLF perspective the repair side is VERY different in so much as the kinds of things that are seemingly much more important now seem to be much more centered around the intended function of guitars and other plucked, stringed instruments. I used to agonize over a rosette design now I agonize over if so and so a semi-famous player will be able to bend one whole step before the trem on his strat that I set flat for greater tuning stability will just start to lift. :) Or in other words the wood working project has very much morphed into a "tools for musicians" project and this just kind of brings it full circle for me too.

This particular video will help us help our clients. Since guitars do not have perfect temperament now we have something to direct our clients to if they are interested and this subject does come up in our world frequently as well.

We also learn from our videos and I most certain learn from Dave every single day. Electrics are still not my expertise but I completely enjoy them all the same and lately find myself playing my strat and PRS perhaps more than the acoustics that I built.

It's probably an obsession but likely one of the more healthy obsessions on the obsession spectrum...:) Thanks for your kind comments that means a LOT to us, much appreciated!

Hesh great videos. Thanks to you and David for sharing. I remember that you used to have a link to a bunch of toots you posted over the years. Stuff from the OLF and what not. Do you still have a link for that stuff? I remember you having one on the Ann Arbor site. If not thanks anyways for the great videos.

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Hey Mike! Hope all is well with you my friend.

Thanks for the the thanks, much appreciated.

I still have all my toots that I did and some of them are here on the OLF in the toots section but most are just hiding on a back-up drive and not on any web site at present. If you or others want I can endeavor to put them on our A2G web site and then link the OLF toots post to that. Let me know if this would be helpful and I will endeavor to get it done.
Author:  Robbie_McD [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:15 am ]
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Hesh, I recall watching your "Flattening the upper bout" tutorial many years ago - which was exactly what I needed at the time to understand neck geometry.
I am sure if you posted your tutorials they would be greatly appreciated by many!

Rob
Author:  Shaw [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:43 pm ]
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Hesh wrote:
Shaw wrote:
Hesh wrote:
Thanks very much for your kind comments Daniel! Much appreciated!

After we started Ann Arbor Guitars one of the fist things that we did was get some nice camera equipment, professional lighting, and Final Cut Pro so that Dave could do his videos and it's been fun ever since. We get contacted every week by folks all over the place with questions that were generated from our videos. We don't accept shipped in work so at times we wonder why we do it but never have to wonder too long because both Dave and I have been life long guitar junkies from our earliest days.

For me coming very much from a builder/OLF perspective the repair side is VERY different in so much as the kinds of things that are seemingly much more important now seem to be much more centered around the intended function of guitars and other plucked, stringed instruments. I used to agonize over a rosette design now I agonize over if so and so a semi-famous player will be able to bend one whole step before the trem on his strat that I set flat for greater tuning stability will just start to lift. :) Or in other words the wood working project has very much morphed into a "tools for musicians" project and this just kind of brings it full circle for me too.

This particular video will help us help our clients. Since guitars do not have perfect temperament now we have something to direct our clients to if they are interested and this subject does come up in our world frequently as well.

We also learn from our videos and I most certain learn from Dave every single day. Electrics are still not my expertise but I completely enjoy them all the same and lately find myself playing my strat and PRS perhaps more than the acoustics that I built.

It's probably an obsession but likely one of the more healthy obsessions on the obsession spectrum...:) Thanks for your kind comments that means a LOT to us, much appreciated!

Hesh great videos. Thanks to you and David for sharing. I remember that you used to have a link to a bunch of toots you posted over the years. Stuff from the OLF and what not. Do you still have a link for that stuff? I remember you having one on the Ann Arbor site. If not thanks anyways for the great videos.

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Hey Mike! Hope all is well with you my friend.

Thanks for the the thanks, much appreciated.

I still have all my toots that I did and some of them are here on the OLF in the toots section but most are just hiding on a back-up drive and not on any web site at present. If you or others want I can endeavor to put them on our A2G web site and then link the OLF toots post to that. Let me know if this would be helpful and I will endeavor to get it done.

Hesh that would be great. I remember there being some good stuff and I'm sure some of the newer and maybe just starting out members would appreciate that stuff. Don't rush yourself. I'm sure you are busy too. When you get the time. Thanks!

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