Have a look at this problem. Should I absolutely not use this? I've put a lot of work into jointing and thicknessing this set and hate to throw it away. Will it pose a problem?
I only noticed after sanded down.
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| Author: | Coach71 [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Have a look at this problem. Should I absolutely not use this? I've put a lot of work into jointing and thicknessing this set and hate to throw it away. Will it pose a problem? I only noticed after sanded down.
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| Author: | meddlingfool [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Have you bent the sides yet? Cause if they have the same fractures, they'll probably blow. If you have, and they work, and you really want to use the back, it will probably be OK of you fill and stabilize with ca. But you'll always see them like that. |
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| Author: | Coach71 [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
The sides bent ok. I'd be inclined to use this if you guys don't think it'll pose structural issues. |
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| Author: | meddlingfool [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
I think you'll be fine as long as you fill really well with CA. Not much stress/tension in the back. |
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| Author: | James Ringelspaugh [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Those are compression failures. There's absolutely no strength across the grain where you see those little fractures... you should think of them as butt joints with no glue. |
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| Author: | Joe Beaver [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
No good ! Lucky padauk is not one of the high priced sets. But it is a good looking set !!! |
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| Author: | Tom West [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
[quote="Coach71 I've put a lot of work into jointing and thicknessing this set and hate to throw it away.[/quote] And you will put 100 times that into the total guitar. Most likely these will hold up with out catastrophic failure, but could very easily open up under string tension. If they were mine I would not use them but that's just my opinion. Tom |
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| Author: | Colin North [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
I wouldn't use them. To be honest, I would contact the supplier and discuss...... |
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| Author: | DennisK [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
I'd hit both patches of fractures with thin CA to wick into the tiny gaps, then fill with epoxy for strength (warm the wood first so it will make the epoxy less viscous), and then put some kind of big inlay design over the worse crack patch to reinforce it. Perhaps something like this http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=45740 |
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| Author: | Clay S. [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
If glued and filled I don't think you will have any structural issues. Some people might be put off by the looks, but it won't be a bother to others. I would build a simply adorned guitar with it, rather than spending a lot of time or money on it. It will probably sound great. |
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| Author: | Gasawdust [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
If the build is for yourself you know the risk. If the build is for someone else....start over with new stock. Personally I would not use it. |
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| Author: | Coach71 [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
whoops, i see the linked pics on my iPhone, but not on my laptop. ?? |
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| Author: | kencierp [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Ditto Colin --- looks like defective material to me too. |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
This issue was hidden until sanded? If you bought that from a reputable dealer, I'd ask for some consideration. Can't hurt to ask now, can it? |
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| Author: | Rocky Road [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Considering the hours that goes into a build and that these will always be seen if it were me no way would I use them. Should be able to settle this with the supplier. And or find a decent back set. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Coach71 [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Yeah, it's not really visible until you wet it. I can get a replacement set, I agree that's the right thing to do, only downside is it'll delay the build a month or so. Darn |
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| Author: | meddlingfool [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
If that came from a supplier and not a brick from the lumberyard you brought home yourself, it's worth a conversation. |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Coach71 wrote: Yeah, it's not really visible until you wet it. I can get a replacement set, I agree that's the right thing to do, only downside is it'll delay the build a month or so. Darn Worse. Wait till you buff it out! Hey, there are always things that be done in the meantime. Start the neck and finger board. Do the top. Rosette. See? There's your month. |
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| Author: | printer2 [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
I would use it as a test guitar (have not built with padauk yet) and not put any great amount of work into it. If you can get a replacement set then use the sides with it and the pictured back can be used for head plates, rosettes, wonder if you can do a scarf joint and use it for binding? |
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| Author: | Joe Beaver [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
A month seems like a long wait. Where are you located? Canada maybe? If you are in sunny Southern California I might have a set of paduak I could loan you. |
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| Author: | printer2 [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Joe Beaver wrote: A month seems like a long wait. Where are you located? Canada maybe? Not sure if I should be offended.... 
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| Author: | Joe Beaver [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Fred, Not at all. I keep hearing it takes some time to get certain items to Canada. Most things in the states take a week or less. |
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| Author: | printer2 [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
Joe Beaver wrote: Fred, Not at all. I keep hearing it takes some time to get certain items to Canada. Most things in the states take a week or less. Just kidding. Although the border does cause us some challenges. |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fractured Padauk - is it usable? |
I dunno, I'm glad we have a border that takes time to get through. Wish they were all like that. Ok, sorry. Couldn't help myself. Tis the season, no? Carrion. |
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