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| Author: | Rbello [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Any tricks? I've used up all my kids yellow colored pencils which don't really do the job anyway - too waxy. Pencil/scribed lines are too hard to see on the dark wood. Thanks. |
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| Author: | kencierp [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Prisimacolor white --- Silver or Red Welder's marking pencils. The white works best but pretty soft and rather expensive. We have all three around the shop. |
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| Author: | SteveSmith [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
I use some white pencils I got from the art store. They're not waxy though. Look to be similar to the Prismacolor that Ken referenced. |
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| Author: | Jim Watts [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Scribe and fill with white chalk |
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| Author: | Joe Beaver [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
I usually just put a piece of blue tape in the area and mark with a regular pencil. |
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| Author: | Larry Davis [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
General brand white or black charcoal pencils |
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| Author: | Rodger Knox [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
I've used silver and gold gel pens, the silver is usually easier to see. |
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| Author: | Tim L [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
prismacolor white from the local art store |
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| Author: | J De Rocher [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
For witness lines for sanding, I use peel-off China markers either white or yellow. Amazon carries many options. For precision marking. I use yellow lead in a mechanical pencil: https://www.amazon.com/Pilot-Mechanical-Pencil-Yellow-HRF7C-20-Y/dp/B006CQVJK6/ref=sr_1_13?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1475774144&sr=1-13&keywords=yellow+mechanical+pencil+lead This color has worked great on rosewood, ebony, bubinga, walnut, and cocobolo. |
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| Author: | Rbello [ Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Great suggestions all. Thanks!! |
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| Author: | Ruby50 [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Pentel makes colored leads in the .5 thickness rather then the .7 of the Pilot http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pentel-Ain-Stei ... affHTbVEFw Never used them, so can't speak to quality Ed |
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| Author: | saltytri [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
I've tried the Prismacolor and Pentel products mentioned here and they do work, sort of. However, the by-far-best pencil I've found for marking on dark wood is the white Lyra Rembrandt Polycolor. These seem to be readily available in art supply stores. David Ingalls onoukes.com |
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| Author: | Pat Foster [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Soapstone marking pencils for fabric, at your local fabric store. Pat |
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| Author: | SteveSmith [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
I was just using mine - General brand charcoal white. Works great and isn't greasy. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Quilters pencils. Silver or white. Go lightly - point breaks easily. |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
I've used white pencils, felt tip markers, etc. but at the end of the day, beginning now too.... I favor just a simple .005" mechanical pencil line and very, very good, focused lighting. I can't see the pencil as well but my stinkin line is not three miles wide either..... The guys who have been in our classes know that we even sharpen our .005" mechanical pencils.... Pretty anal I know... 
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| Author: | Woodie G [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
White china marker for labeling...we avoid anything that has a metallic component to avoid any possibility that the pigment might show up down the road under a finish. For cut lines, we mark with knife or sharp awl and fill with chalk - very visible and avoids a thick, inaccurate trim line. For sanding, we use chalk and HB pencil lead where we need some durability. A portable aluminum hooded clamp-style work light with a 150 watt equivalent flood flight bulb (we use the LED bulbs - they are much more rugged and available in 6000K) and a stable work stand (we usually just clamp to a well padded tripod-style mic stand or camera tripod) allows lighting to be adjusted so that pencil can be clearly seen. This usually means that, for band saw work for example, some supplemental lighting at a low incident angle is needed to see pencil markings. |
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| Author: | Alan Carruth [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
White gel markers are even better than the silver ones, as they show up from all angles. They make a narrower line than the white pencils I've tried. Gel pens do seem to need high 'surface energy' to mark well: a light scraping or sanding of the surface just before marking will enable them to work much better. |
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| Author: | murrmac [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Hesh wrote: I've used white pencils, felt tip markers, etc. but at the end of the day, beginning now too.... I favor just a simple .005" mechanical pencil line ) Hesh. can you just confirm that that isn't a misprint, and that you didn't actually mean .5mm ? I have never come across a mechanical pencil lead thinner than .3mm , and that would be roughly .013" ....005" lead seems incredibly thin ...like half the thickness of a heavy metal e string ! |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Good catch Murray, yes I should have posted .5mm. Now you know why I can't see the stinkin pencil line.....
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| Author: | SteveSmith [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Marking on rosewood, etc... |
Anymore I only use the white pencil for rough marking. On occasion I'll use a marking knife with chalk but mostly a .3mm lead pencil and a bright light set where I can see the reflection off of the line. |
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