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DarrenFiggs
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http://www.shellacfinishes.com/product/ ... catalyzed/

Cures in 4 days! Mr. O'Brien? Anyone?
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This is interesting. I really like the look of Royal-Lac, but stopped using it mostly because my finishing skills aren't great. (I was spraying it.) I found Enduro-Var a bit easier and quicker.

I just emailed Vijay and asked if he knows of any luthiers using the post cat and if he had a finishing schedule he could share. I'll let you know what I hear back.


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That was fast. I just heard back from Vijay. Here's what he said.

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Yes, it is. As a matter of fact, I would like to see most luthiers switch to it. It can be sprayed, padded or brushed. Although it has been designed for spraying. The look and feel is just like Royal-Lac but it is also a bit harder. It cures in 4 days and is 40% solids. So only 4-6 coats is required to finish.
I have two luthiers who have been using it for over 9 months. Please feel free to contact them. I’ll let them tell you of their finishing schedule.
Along with these two individuals, Robbie and one of his friends have also tested it out with amazing results.
Here are a few photos that they sent me.

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Here are the photo Vijay provided.


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Wow. Those are certainly beautiful.
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One of the joys of being amateur guitar builder is I can give it a no risk try. I have been using Royal Lac and like it. It would be nice to have a finish that I can spray, and I have always been interested in post catalyzed finishes so I will give it a try. Although somehow I do not think they are going to look like the instruments finished above.

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johnparchem wrote:
One of the joys of being amateur guitar builder is I can give it a no risk try. I have been using Royal Lac and like it. It would be nice to have a finish that I can spray, and I have always been interested in post catalyzed finishes so I will give it a try. Although somehow I do not think they are going to look like the instruments finished above.


Exactly what I was thinking. Especially the last part! :D

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I was thinking about trying Royal-Lac the next time I get one ready for finish. This is the first I am hearing of this new version. He says "padded" but I wonder if that would include French Polish technique. If anyone tries FP with this stuff, let us know!

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I've been in touch with Max and Andrew. They spoke quite favorably about the product and are working on a review for GAL. It sounds like it's been formulated with spaying in mind and French polish is not recommended.


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I ordered some of this for testing. If you get the spray schedule that would be appreciated.


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MikeWaz wrote:
I've been in touch with Max and Andrew. They spoke quite favorably about the product and are working on a review for GAL. It sounds like it's been formulated with spaying in mind and French polish is not recommended.

Thanks for the info, Mike. Did they say anything that would indicate it wouldn't work for brushing?
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Mike, thanks for sending him a message and posting his response. Can't wait to try it out!
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The original formula French polishes quite well, and holds up well.

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I would not view quick cure as something I would want in FP. With the original formulation, I can work at my admittedly leisurely pace, and blend in some local touch ups as they develop.

Lets' say I do the back first, and work my way through the rest of the guitar and towards the end put a nick or scratch in the back. It is easy to fix it locally. If it were cured, I would need to do the entire surface because the repair would not "burn in".

For the experts, who can and do FP in a day or two, it wouldn't be a concern,
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For the experts, who can and do FP in a day or two, it wouldn't be a concern,
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People can FP a guitar in a day or two?!!! [FLUSHED FACE]That gives me hope. I love FP, but it takes me a week or so.
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CharlieT wrote:
MikeWaz wrote:
I've been in touch with Max and Andrew. They spoke quite favorably about the product and are working on a review for GAL. It sounds like it's been formulated with spaying in mind and French polish is not recommended.

Thanks for the info, Mike. Did they say anything that would indicate it wouldn't work for brushing?


No, they didn't say. If you email Vijay from ShellacFinishes.com, I'm sure he'll let you know.


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I have tested this product and am pleased with the results. I have never used it on an instrument but the samples I did were very nice. As you can see from the pics, others are using this product with great results and the post cat version is a nice feature.
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Good to know Robbie. Did you get a sense of how it compares to nitro in regard to servicability, hardness and repairability?

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I got a chance to work with Royal Lac post-cat this past weekend. I sprayed body layers, level sanded and sprayed top coats over the course of two days. This was on a "spare" body that I use just for testing things out. By the end of this coming weekend, I hope to have it buffed out.

Once I'm done, I'll post my schedule and what I learned. So far, I like working with the finish and it seems promising. The clarity is outstanding.

One thing worth mentioning -- I used this spare body to test standard Royal Lac about a year and a half ago. I had to strip this old finish off. This was tough work! I found the standard Royal Lac to be as hard, if not harder than any finish I've encountered. I'm hoping the post-cat version cures just as hard.


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Robbie O'Brien wrote:
I have tested this product and am pleased with the results. I have never used it on an instrument but the samples I did were very nice. As you can see from the pics, others are using this product with great results and the post cat version is a nice feature.

You might want to contact the company who is quoting you saying that it "gives my guitars the beauty of shellac with the protection of synthetic lacquer".

He should modify that quote, a lot of people, including me, value your opinion Robbie.

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Ken McKay wrote:
Robbie O'Brien wrote:
I have tested this product and am pleased with the results. I have never used it on an instrument but the samples I did were very nice. As you can see from the pics, others are using this product with great results and the post cat version is a nice feature.

You might want to contact the company who is quoting you saying that it "gives my guitars the beauty of shellac with the protection of synthetic lacquer".

He should modify that quote, a lot of people, including me, value your opinion Robbie.


Ken, what exactly would you like to see modified about the quote?


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I think he means that the quote says, "... gives my guitars..." and in your post you say, "...never used it on an instrument..."


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I could be wrong, but I think that quote is in reference to regular RoyalLac not the new stuff. I think therein lies the confusion.

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Ah yes. i see now how that could be confusing. I have used the original version of Royal Lac on guitars but not the post cat version.
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