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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:56 pm 
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Hey people. Looking for a bit of assistance. I have some Menzerna polishes that I have had for a while. Can someone tell me if the old #18 polish is finer or courser than the new P204. And where does #16 fit in to all of that?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:08 pm 
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I think I may have found the answer. P204 may have replaced #18. Both are a bit courser than #16.......I think....;-)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:09 pm 
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Will this help http://www.thepolishingshop.co.uk/acatalog/Menzerna_polishing_compounds_for_woods_plastics_and_lacquers.html

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Menzerna products are the best I've found. Likewise their customer support. Their product #s and product descriptions seem to be a secret code that defy the CIA and Wikileaks.

W16, P204, 480W, ATOL6, G35T. 113GZW. Gi5B, 113GZW, WTF!?

I don't pretend to being a buffing adept. Joe White, please weigh in.

Absent Joe. call Menzerna. I've been skeptical of their advice. That was my mistake. They know the business.

Buy some fretwire while you're on the phone. That's another business they understand.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:29 pm 
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Shane, you have it right. The #18 is gone and currently the P204 (salmon color) has taken its place. The #16 is finer than the old #18 or the new P204. Even finer yet is the P175 or Atol6.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:19 pm 
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Thanks Joe. do you find the need to go finer than 16?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:48 pm 
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Shane Neifer wrote:
Thanks Joe. do you find the need to go finer than 16?

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Yes I do Shane but I'm not satisfied with the P175.

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So, given the new numbering system... what compounds do you good foks use and in what order?

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Fasterthanlight wrote:
So, given the new numbering system... what compounds do you good foks use and in what order?

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If the numbers haven't changed again recently, I use this order recommended by Brian Howard a couple years back: 113GZ, P204, GW16, ATOL6. It has worked well for me on water based finishes like Endurovar. I can't say how it would work on other finishes but I believe Brian used it on several finish types.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:41 am 
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bcombs510 wrote:
If the numbers haven't changed again recently, I use this order recommended by Brian Howard a couple years back: 113GZ, P204, GW16, ATOL6. It has worked well for me on water based finishes like Endurovar. I can't say how it would work on other finishes but I believe Brian used it on several finish types.

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I do almost the same but minus the 113GZ and p175 in place of atol6...

Up to what grit to you wet sand before moving to 113GZ?


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Fasterthanlight wrote:
Up to what grit to you wet sand before moving to 113GZ?


600 usually. Brian mentioned only going to 400 I think but he has skills and I do not. laughing6-hehe

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What annoys me is that the Menzerna bars I purchased some time ago through Stewmac have no numbers/codes written on them -- zilch, not even Stewmac product numbers. So those funny numbers, old or new, as still Greek to me.


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I have/do what LMI used to recommend:

-Sand to 1000
-then #16 (olive) fine
-then #175 (cream) ultra fine

Worked great on ktm9 (water base) and nitro. BTW if anyone in the Seattle area wants to split them with me or third them even, that would be great as I've used them on a few guitars and probably not even used 1%! Let me know...I could even mail them.


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Is anyone successfully using different grits on the same buff?

It would sure be nice to not do so much sanding, but not really enough room for a 4 wheel setup...


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pat macaluso wrote:
Is anyone successfully using different grits on the same buff?

It would sure be nice to not do so much sanding, but not really enough room for a 4 wheel setup...

Easy and quick to change buffs, that's what I do when using more than 2 compounds.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:47 pm 
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I also change the buffs, but what I got into the habit of doing is setting up like this:

Buff 1&2, then swap 1 for 3 in case I need to go back to 2 on a spot. Then swap 2 for 4 and that way I can go back to 3 if needed. I read that here or somewhere and it's helpful to minimize the time spent swapping buffs. Seems obvious, but it has been helpful.

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