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 Post subject: Re: Drum sander help
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:24 pm 
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Thanks Woodie!

The 22-44OSC is the machine I'd like to step into one day, it's nice to hear some real world feedback...


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 Post subject: Re: Drum sander help
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Yes, we've been waiting to hear some luthier feedback on that machine. Are you guys getting the same tolerances as on the non oscillating version? Are you running 80 grit?

Don't be confused by the shiney new username, it's just good'ol Pat Macaluso!



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 Post subject: Re: Drum sander help
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The only time I use 80 grit on my Performax 16-32 is for backs and sides woods that have high oil content. 120 grit clogs up right away with those woods. I hate sanding out 80-grit scratches so I use 120 for everything else and that works fine for me.

I've been using the pre-marked bulk rolls from Klingspor's Woodworking Shop. One roll gives 19 strips for a 16" drum.

As mentioned by others above, you can adjust the tilt of the drum so that a ridge doesn't get sanded into wide tops.

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Don't be confused by the shiney new username, it's just good'ol Pat Macaluso!


I was wondering who this new person with something like 1500 posts was... Now, can you explain what a Pma7 chord looks like?



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 Post subject: Re: Drum sander help
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The 22-44 ODS is - if anything - more predictable. We suspect that the extra structure to support the carriage bearings and additional gearbox make the tool somewhat more rigid.

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 Post subject: Re: Drum sander help
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I use 120 on mine.. 60 and 80 is pretty harsh


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 Post subject: Re: Drum sander help
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I just have a garden variety 22-44 Performax. It is about 14 years old and has served me well. Being able to fit a whole top or back through is a big deal for me.

On Rosewoods I will start with 60G which is pretty clog resistant, then switch to 80 when getting close, and usually end with that and sand the part with 120 with a Dynabrade on the sanding table after it is thicknessed.

On Spruce, Mahogany, Maple etc I start with 80 and go to 120.

I can change paper pretty fast now on the Performax.

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Oh for dust collection I use a shop vac and a dust deputy. Cheap and works great.


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Now I'm torn between the HF dust collector and the Dust Deputy shop vac thing. Being that I got a much larger sander, I wonder if the DD would work as well on mine. I like that fact that the ShopVac has a HEPA filter in it and most of the dust stays outside of it with the DD. I think, for the price, it's worth a shot. With the HF DC I would need something else to catch the finer dust. Maybe I need that anyway. I don't know.

BTW the Supermax 19-38 I bought for 1259.00 is now back up to 1399.00. Glad I ordered it when I did.

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My 16-32 arrived yesterday. Setting it up, I was very impressed with the quality of every component. The stand is rock solid and the fit/finish is excellent. I got it dialed in to less than a thousandths across the width, something that I was never able to get close to on my DIY system. Dust collection was very good with my 1.5 hp bag style collector. I was just taking small passes, but so much better than my previous setup. I did notice that the hold down roller brackets rub on the conveyor when the drum is lowered down to around 0.1". I'll have to adjust the rollers up a little and probably build a sled for running tops/backs/sides through. I've got three builds just starting up, so I'll be able to put it through its paces very soon.

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Cool! I'm still waiting on mine and I'll enjoy reading your reports.

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banjopicks wrote:
SnowManSnow wrote:
Oh for dust collection I use a shop vac and a dust deputy. Cheap and works great.


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Now I'm torn between the HF dust collector and the Dust Deputy shop vac thing. Being that I got a much larger sander, I wonder if the DD would work as well on mine. I like that fact that the ShopVac has a HEPA filter in it and most of the dust stays outside of it with the DD. I think, for the price, it's worth a shot. With the HF DC I would need something else to catch the finer dust. Maybe I need that anyway. I don't know.

BTW the Supermax 19-38 I bought for 1259.00 is now back up to 1399.00. Glad I ordered it when I did.


For what it's worth, I've been using a shop vac with a HEPA filter and a Dust Deputy on my 16-32 Performax for years and it works fine. Even after heavy use, no dust collects on or around the sander. A few years ago, I supplemented that with a Jet air filtration system mounted on the ceiling with a Wynn Environmental filter in it. I run that while sanding to handle any fine dust I can't see that might escape the vacuum. The Jet air filtration system can be had on sale for about $360.


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That's 2 votes of confidence for the Dust Deputy. I'm ordering it right now. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Drum sander help
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J De Rocher wrote:
banjopicks wrote:
SnowManSnow wrote:
Oh for dust collection I use a shop vac and a dust deputy. Cheap and works great.


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Now I'm torn between the HF dust collector and the Dust Deputy shop vac thing. Being that I got a much larger sander, I wonder if the DD would work as well on mine. I like that fact that the ShopVac has a HEPA filter in it and most of the dust stays outside of it with the DD. I think, for the price, it's worth a shot. With the HF DC I would need something else to catch the finer dust. Maybe I need that anyway. I don't know.

BTW the Supermax 19-38 I bought for 1259.00 is now back up to 1399.00. Glad I ordered it when I did.


For what it's worth, I've been using a shop vac with a HEPA filter and a Dust Deputy on my 16-32 Performax for years and it works fine. Even after heavy use, no dust collects on or around the sander. A few years ago, I supplemented that with a Jet air filtration system mounted on the ceiling with a Wynn Environmental filter in it. I run that while sanding to handle any fine dust I can't see that might escape the vacuum. The Jet air filtration system can be had on sale for about $360.
Jay, are you getting nearly all of the dust in the deputy and none in the bag also?

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Jay, are you getting nearly all of the dust in the deputy and none in the bag also?

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I'm collecting the drum sander dust through a Dust Deputy into a shop vac with a HEPA filter but with no bag. The amount of material that makes it into the shop vac is so small that I haven't used a dust bag because I figure it would just reduce the air flow and it's one less thing to buy.

The majority of dust stops in the DD. I have never actually had to empty the shop vac because so little ends up collecting on the bottom in there. I've only cleaned out the little bit that ends up in there a couple times when I was cleaning the HEPA filter. I do have to periodically clean fine dust off the HEPA filter that makes it past the DD. Judging by the color of the dust on the filter, the fine dust that makes it that far is primarily spruce and some mahogany. Dust from heavier woods like rosewood, ziricote, and ebony don't appear to get there in any noticeable amounts.



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Then on the bad side of town there's the Dust Outlaw (just for poor boy shops)

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That's 2 votes of confidence for the Dust Deputy. I'm ordering it right now. Thanks.

Get a real dust collector, you won’t regret it. I just thought about your space requirements, and a shop vac with a deputy could possibly take up as much footprint as a cyclone with a hepa filter hanging off the side.

If I had to do it again, I’d probably look at one of these.
https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collect ... -collector

Okay, maybe I’d get the bigger 33 gal one.


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I don't really have any space requirements. You must have me mixed with someone else.

I'm going to try the deputy before going big. It's not like I run these machines all day every day. If I did want a real DC, I would start with the 2hp HF one. I already spent enough on the sander for this year.

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I don't really have any space requirements. You must have me mixed with someone else.

My bad. I thought since you were going for small dust collection that size/space was an issue.

Very nice sander by the way.


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Do you guys have any use for the 36 grit paper. I wanted to order a mixed box , 36,80 and 120 grit but I may be throwing my money away with the 36.

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I don't own anything rougher than 80. If I wanted rougher for some guitar woods, I would get 60. The only use I think I would get out of 36 is removing paint from old boards.


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I keep 80 grit on my Supermax 19-38 and run everything on the highest feed rate I can.
Take off small amounts and multiple passes. This gives me a finish almost like the 120 grit
and I get there faster.
When rolling on the paper, leave a small gap in the wrapping or it can start to overlap
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Great! How many top back aside sets can you get out of a roll?

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