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| Author: | SnowManSnow [ Sun Jan 01, 2023 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Advanced pickups |
I’m not sure what to call these things so I’ll just deem them advanced pickups. What I’m talking about is the onboard effects systems like in the Yamaha acoustisonic guitars. It’s like a tonewoods amp ( the thing I hate that snaps to the back of your guitar) that creates unplugged effects. Has anyone installed one of these on your built guitars? Any kind of experience here? Thanks so much B Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | joshnothing [ Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
I haven’t and if someone requested one on a commissioned build I would say no  No judgement, it’s just that adding a dinky chorus effect to a fine acoustic guitar attracts me about as much as the notion of running a Strad violin through a Boss DS-1 pedal. |
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| Author: | SnowManSnow [ Sun Jan 01, 2023 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
joshnothing wrote: I haven’t and if someone requested one on a commissioned build I would say no No judgement, it’s just that adding a dinky chorus effect to a fine acoustic guitar attracts me about as much as the notion of running a Strad violin through a Boss DS-1 pedal. I gotta say it’s a lot of fun:) I have 2 Yamaha acoustisonics  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Mon Jan 02, 2023 2:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
When the Tone wood amp came out I installed maybe three of them this was immediately after they started the heavy advertising. They seem to not be as popular anymore I have not installed one in a year or so now. I was not impressed nor would I ever want one of these things in a guitar that I crafted and went to great lengths to keep the mass down. The thing uses rare earth magnets which not only makes it very heavy all that weight is added to the guitar I have yet to hear anyone suggest that people with pacemakers might be in real trouble with rare earth magnets pressed against their bodies near their chests. So strike two for me with the great mass and the danger of the magnets in close proximity with one's body. How did it sound? Exactly as good or bad as that specific guitar was capable of reproducing with it's box while with the extra mass that the back of the guitar is now strapped with. So your question was more in general and not specific to the so-called tone wood amp. On-board electronics that come from the manufacturer are one of the biggest reasons why people's guitars fail and they bring them to us and others for repair. The electronics are often crap, cheap and do not last very long. Some well known manufacturers have had to redesign and replace entire systems that failed in time. These are often, usually proprietary systems where the repair centers either can't get parts or are unwilling to lose a bunch of money changing hats and going into the warranty repair business for a one-off and securing original parts. When I built my Heshtones AND when I finally recognized that I was wrong and I may indeed be selling to others my North Star were heirloom instruments. I felt that Martin build quality was not difficult for a good builder to achieve and even surpass and as such we should be building 100 year guitars. Today's guitar electronics will never go the distance and in many cases on-board systems are the first thing to fail on a guitar equipped with them. So as for me and this is now opinion I personally think that these capabilities and systems are incompatible with hand-made, one-at-a-time, Luthier built instruments and the value proposition that we put forward. OTOH the person who jumps in may have a built-in market that is currently unaddressed but God help you 8 years out when these things fail and you can't get parts. There is a reason why Martin and others only warranty the electronics on their products for one year....... |
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| Author: | TRein [ Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
I have to agree with Hesh on all accounts. I have not looked at external effects for acoustic guitars but it would seem you could easily add chorus, etc., with pedals. 100% reversibility is 100% required with acoustic guitar pickups, IMO. The next "latest and greatest" pickup is always just around the bend. Here's a somewhat related anecdote: back in my big guitar store repair days a wealthy player insisted on having a "barn door" type preamp installed in the side of his Goodall. Try as I might he could not be dissuaded. It was a sickening feeling to mangle a high-end guitar like that but he was going to have one installed come hell or high water. At least I did a proper job and added the necessary reinforcements. As an employee I was bound by the guitar store's credo of the customer is always right. |
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| Author: | bluescreek [ Mon Jan 02, 2023 11:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
Put me with Hesh Many pic ups are over kill On an acoustic you don't need that much . My preference is the ultra K&K or the Trinity system. This gives you bass mid and treble along with phase. Most mixer boards have effects on them and to be honest I thought that would be cool on an acoustic . It wasn't To my ear I want a natural sounding guitar. Keep it simple. I just got a bose system WOW it was an older one but there is more there than I need HAPPY NEW YEAR lets all be better people this year |
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| Author: | Chris Pile [ Mon Jan 02, 2023 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
Still a big fan of Ken Donnell's Mini-Flex or 2Mic systems of lavalier mikes inside the guitar. Natural acoustic sound, with a minimum of work to install. Also, per Hesh's statement that we should be building 100 year guitars... PREACH IT! |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
I think something like this should be filed under "personal preference". Two of my clients use them to great effect. One has worked for quite a long time to achieve a very unique sound. And, I have one and like it. One person I know did not stick the internal feet. Which is fine if the guitar case can accommodate it. |
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| Author: | SnowManSnow [ Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
Mike OMelia wrote: I think something like this should be filed under "personal preference". Two of my clients use them to great effect. One has worked for quite a long time to achieve a very unique sound. And, I have one and like it. One person I know did not stick the internal feet. Which is fine if the guitar case can accommodate it. To be clear I’m talking about instruments that have this built in. I’ve had a tonewood amp and I didn’t dig it just because it was a big clunky thing hanging on the back. What I’m referring to are systems like the acoustisonic Yamahas Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
SnowManSnow wrote: Mike OMelia wrote: I think something like this should be filed under "personal preference". Two of my clients use them to great effect. One has worked for quite a long time to achieve a very unique sound. And, I have one and like it. One person I know did not stick the internal feet. Which is fine if the guitar case can accommodate it. To be clear I’m talking about instruments that have this built in. I’ve had a tonewood amp and I didn’t dig it just because it was a big clunky thing hanging on the back. What I’m referring to are systems like the acoustisonic Yamahas Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk My apologies. But I think I was (albeit off topic) responding to other's posts. Point taken. |
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| Author: | SnowManSnow [ Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advanced pickups |
Mike OMelia wrote: SnowManSnow wrote: Mike OMelia wrote: I think something like this should be filed under "personal preference". Two of my clients use them to great effect. One has worked for quite a long time to achieve a very unique sound. And, I have one and like it. One person I know did not stick the internal feet. Which is fine if the guitar case can accommodate it. To be clear I’m talking about instruments that have this built in. I’ve had a tonewood amp and I didn’t dig it just because it was a big clunky thing hanging on the back. What I’m referring to are systems like the acoustisonic Yamahas Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk My apologies. But I think I was (albeit off topic) responding to other's posts. Point taken. Nah all good. I I didn’t read well enough to know what you were responding to I suppose:) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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