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 Post subject: ES-335 Neck
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:03 pm 
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Getting ready to start an ES-335 neck. I was hoping I could use a double action trussed. Is there a reason I might not try this? I was thinking it might make for a stronger headstock and I don't like the idea of only one way adjustment but maybe thats because I don't understand it.

Any tips or tricks about a Gibson style neck? I've only done bolt on , acoustic guitar and ukuleles until now.

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 Post subject: Re: ES-335 Neck
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:24 pm 
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I’d go with a standard 2-way rod. Not the SM hotrod thing.

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 Post subject: Re: ES-335 Neck
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:29 pm 
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Dan going with a Blanchard two way.

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 Post subject: Re: ES-335 Neck
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:41 pm 
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As you know, I've built two 335 clones and a few other "Gibson style" guitars. However I have not built them period correct (and it was my understanding that you are). I do scarf joined heads, stacked heels, change the shape of the head slightly and use a double acting truss rod with a small allen head adjuster (LMII's). (I've also fixed a fair number of broken heads on Gibson style guitars).

I believe that the small allen style adjuster makes a much smaller route into the weak head and I think that a scarfed head is much stronger in that area.

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There have been a lot of good discussions on scarfed necks and different truss rods - the important thing to remember is that with that big center block and long tenon you pretty much have to put the adjuster in the head - make it as strong as you can.

The other part of Gibson necks is that they meet the body at an angle (which depends on the amount of arching in your top), they may or may not stand proud of the body, and you've got some interesting fitment at the body. Typically you will set the width at the body joint and pare your neck down to it - remember if you sand the body too much you will thru those beautiful maple plys (ask how I know). Oh, and I know you are building a period correct '50's model, if it has the short tenon make another deviation...,.

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ps - I'm sure you've read my rant on other neck threads about thinking about the order of your cuts. Make square sides that can be referenced - you can do almost all of your tenon (with the exceptions of the cheek angle) on a band saw.


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 Post subject: Re: ES-335 Neck
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:59 pm 
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Thanks for the info Freeman some good time savers.

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 Post subject: Re: ES-335 Neck
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:41 pm 
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I was planning on a longer tenon and thanks for the picture of the double acting truss rod .

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 Post subject: Re: ES-335 Neck
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:26 pm 
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I would use a modern double/action rod. They sit in a shallower slot in the neck, and are more adjustable. I also do scarf joints and volutes.

Gibson’s method results in broken headstocks.


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