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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:04 am 
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First name: Dave
Last Name: Peterson
City: Bangkok
Country: Thailand
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http://davesguitarplanet.com/_misc/guild/guild.html

1959 Guild CE-100

I picked this up in San Francisco around 2001 for $800. The sticker inside the guitar says "FACTORY SECOND," probably because of some cosmetic blemish when it was new. It was, and still is, all scratched up. Still, it's got a great neck, and with it's laminate top and single coil pickup, it sounds great with flat wounds for mellow jazz ballads, etc. It's one of my favorite guitars, and the oldest in my collection. (I currently have seven others that are also nice; and all are different.)

Recently, I noticed a fret was low (buzzing), then I noticed the binding around the cutaway on the top had shrunk to the extent that it had pulled out from the body about a quarter inch. I realized it needed to visit a guitar tech to straighten these things out.

I've lived in Bangkok, Thailand for about 11 years now. Recently a guitar repairman/luthier was recommended to me, so I brought the Guild to him. He said he could try to heat up the shrunken binding and push it back in, but that it looked like it was on the edge of being unsavable. Then we noticed that a lot of the binding on other parts of the guitar had also shrunk and cracked in places. So, it really looked like it all need to be replaced.

He said he didn't have access to the same kind of (plastic), binding in Thailand, but that he'd actually done the same job on a friend's Guild, using maple binding, instead. He also claimed that, if the binding were replaced with plastic again, in Thailand's hot climate, that it would just shrink again. The wood binding wouldn't have that problem.

So, I thought, 'What the hell, why not go ahead and let him put maple binding on it?' (He showed me apicture of how my friend's Guild turned out, and it looked fine.)

But, after I got home I thought, if plastic binding shrinks in this climate, why is the binding on my Gibsons (a '72 Super 400 and '75 Howard Roberts), Martin and Taylor still fine? So, now I'm thinking I'd really rather replace the binding with something that as close as possible to the original. Methinks some modern binding would not shrink like the stuff on the Guild did.

Therefore, I now have a couple questions:

1) Do you know where I could get good quality plastic binding that would be very similar, if not indistinguishable, from that in the pictures below? (Front is white with black stripe; back is white only. Also need to replace the plastic 'heel plate' on the back of the neck, as it has curled up.) I could probably have a friend bring the binding over with him when he comes to Thailand next month. then I could ask my luthier here to put it on.

Or:

2) Would I be perhaps smarter to bring the guitar back to the US on my next trip (within 1-2 years), to have a US luthier do the work? (It would almost certainly be cheaper to have it done here, and this guy does quality work.)

BTW, I'm also going to go ahead and have the whole thing refinished (close as possible to original appearance), refretted (with slightly larger frets), and at least 4 of the 6 neck markers replaced with mother of pearl. The front of the headstock will also be refinished, and the potentiometers refurbished, if possible. I realize much of this will render the guitar no longer "original," but I'm only concerned that it stays functional while staying as close to original as possible. (I have no intention of ever selling it.)


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:24 am 
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Location: Hummelstown PA
First name: Brian
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The original bindings are made of Celluloid a cousin of nitrocellulose lacquer and yes the material shrinks with time. Modern plastics like ABS, PVC, etc do not. It has very little to do with the climate.....your other guitars you mention have modern plastic bindings. You can still get celluloid binding materials here in the states but they are considered a hazardous material as they are very flammable. As such I do not think they cannot be shipped by air or internationally.

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