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 Post subject: Neck Removal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:30 pm 
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I bought a cheap Fender Squire Acoustic Guitar off of Craig's List as a sacrificial guitar that I could use to practice routing a binding channel. I would like to remove the neck and then use the body to test out my newest router binding channel jig.

Instead of sawing off the neck, I figured I could remove the neck using the steam method. Since it didn't appear to be attached with bolts, I figured it had to be a dovetail attachment. So I put together a neck removal jig similar to what is available at Stew Mac. After I pried up the fingerboard extension, I removed the 15th fret and drilled a couple of holes for a needle (using one that is normally for inflating a basket ball). Unfortunately when I drilled the holes, it didn't feel like I hit a cavity behind the dovetail. I tried using steam, but I never saw the steam coming out of the second hole and the neck never moved.

Question: Is it possible that this inexpensive guitar doesn't have a dovetail joint and the neck is simply glued in place so my efforts in trying to remove the neck would be futile?

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Matt


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 Post subject: Re: Neck Removal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:18 pm 
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Yes, right you are. This guitar does not use a dovetail and many inexpensive imports like this one use a dowelled attachment method that is not engineered to be serviced or removed. There is nothing to steam off as you suspected.

With this said sawing off the neck and removing the fret board extension however you can, it may not come off with heat depending on what kind of mystery glue was used on it.



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 Post subject: Re: Neck Removal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:25 pm 
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I never considered a doweled joint. I guess I have no choice but to saw off the neck. Ugh!


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 Post subject: Re: Neck Removal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:20 pm 
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Matt H wrote:
I never considered a doweled joint. I guess I have no choice but to saw off the neck. Ugh!


Yeah I agree and good instincts on your part too. I usually have to suggest to folks that these inexpensive imports are not conventionally built to be serviced and not good candidates to learn a thing about neck resetting.

You are the first that I can recall who obtained one to practice routing and that's an excellent idea! It most certainly will be good for that.


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 Post subject: Re: Neck Removal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:40 pm 
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I've removed two necks like that (yes they are doweled) and I made new necks (Mortise and tenon bolt-on), routed out the mortised and attached. Made good student guitars when I was done and could provide you excellent practice.

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 Post subject: Re: Neck Removal
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:41 am 
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Ben-Had wrote:
I've removed two necks like that (yes they are doweled) and I made new necks (Mortise and tenon bolt-on), routed out the mortised and attached. Made good student guitars when I was done and could provide you excellent practice.


Why? I get-it that you wanted something to do but for a commercial repair shop to make new necks and do the conversion, finishing, etc. is easily $1,000 plus of billable hours if one has the work with the results being some import POS with a new neck. As for useful experience as repair Luthiers we've never had to do this nor would we because the economics are not there for anyone and who has the time? No one is going to pay the going rates for a Luthier to make a new neck, fit it, attach it, finish it, convert the body for a mortice and tenon, etc. I'll add there is around $400 in fretting, making a new fret board, etc.

Unless one is in the business of converting these and actually has a valid reason why bother? I fail to see anything beyond something to do for those wanting something to do here.

With all of this said just what exactly is this excellent experience for? What are you learning to do that will have commercial demand or any demand for that matter? If making student guitars is your bag put out the word that you accept donations to repurpose for the homeless and vets, that's what we've done and we don't have to make new necks to help someone.


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 Post subject: Re: Neck Removal
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:07 pm 
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Hesh,

You were exactly right. I cut the neck off and I found it had been attached with five dowel pins. It was easy to get off once I realized I had to avoid the truss rod with my pull-saw.

Now I need to finish up my router binding channel jig and try it out.

Thanks!
Matt



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