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Author:  PeterF [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:10 pm ]
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Yes I agree it won't do anything longitudinally, but the crosswise laminations should reinforce the heel somewhat, which would otherwise all be short grain. Besides, there are only 3 thin cross grain layers, so it really won't make much difference to anything.

Author:  PeterF [ Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:33 am ]
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I've been working on the neck a bit. Got the headstock roughed out.

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I'm also getting the linings on. Cue the classic 'peg shot'...

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Author:  J De Rocher [ Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:10 pm ]
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Cool headstock design. I like the arc or buttress you've added to the treble side. The design on your drawings looked a lot like a Parker Fly headstock. I like this one better.

Author:  PeterF [ Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:15 pm ]
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Thanks! I was marking out the headstock and it just didn't look as good as I was imagining it, so I added the extra bit. It's been a bit of a pain though as it curves downwards as well as sideways, so I couldn't cut the headstock to thickness as I normally do. Worth it in the end though I think :)

Author:  Rodger Knox [ Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:02 pm ]
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J De Rocher wrote:
Cool headstock design. I like the arc or buttress you've added to the treble side. The design on your drawings looked a lot like a Parker Fly headstock. I like this one better.


My thoughts exactly.
Yes, worth it!

Author:  Rodger Knox [ Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:05 pm ]
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PeterF wrote:
Besides, there are only 3 thin cross grain layers, so it really won't make much difference to anything.


That's is the key point. Besides that, a lot will be removed by the truss rod route.

Author:  Bryan Bear [ Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:26 pm ]
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I'm digging the headstock.

Author:  PeterF [ Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:41 am ]
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Thanks Bryan.
Actually I wasn't planning on fitting a truss rod. I kind of want to keep this one as simple/pure as possible, with no metal parts (obviously the tuners and frets are the exception). I believe most classical guitars don't have them and I've never felt the need to adjust one on any of my guitars.
Any opinions?

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Author:  PeterF [ Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:31 am ]
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Still no progress I'm afraid, and it doesn't look like there will be any for quite a while so I may have to pull out of the competition, but we'll see. :/
Just posting really because I've just seen this guitar from David Antony Reid which is using my rim soundhole idea! Looks like I wasn't the only one to think of it after all. He's using a normal soundhole as well though, but he says it's the best sounding guitar he's ever heard.

This is what he says about it:
"What you see in these images is the end result of closing and opening different areas around the peripheral of the guitars back, shaping the bass, mids and treble, just as you would electrically with an EQ, but purely acoustically; then binding-up those closed areas. The end result was the purest, clearest, most well balanced and crisp guitar tone I have ever heard, with a separation of every single note that I have always dreamt of; and with this work compleated I now can accept closure on what has been just shy of 19 years of guitar making development from me, knowing that I have achieved my goal, sharing this, for me, is the most important of all guitar developments: total, complete and utter control of tone."

http://www.darluthier.com/photos-of-FOR-SALE_13

Author:  Bryan Bear [ Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:03 pm ]
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There's still a good amount of time. Don't give up yet!

Author:  J De Rocher [ Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:33 pm ]
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I hope you can still stay in. I've really been looking forward to seeing how your design comes out.

Author:  PeterF [ Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:56 pm ]
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Thanks guys, I'm not giving up, I just think it's very unlikely I'll be able to finish it before May. But I'll keep posting updates when they happen!

Author:  DennisK [ Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:15 am ]
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PeterF wrote:
Just posting really because I've just seen this guitar from David Antony Reid which is using my rim soundhole idea! Looks like I wasn't the only one to think of it after all. He's using a normal soundhole as well though, but he says it's the best sounding guitar he's ever heard.

Well whaddya know, I guess I shouldn't give up on ideas so quickly :) Still, I think he was wise to only do it on the back, and keep the soundboard perimeter fully intact. But I could be wrong again.

Sorry to hear you're too busy to work on it at the moment. But do keep posting even after the game is over, because I definitely want to see how this one turns out.

Author:  PeterF [ Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:24 pm ]
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Yeah he does make guitars totally different to everyone else as well. I guess his backs would be totally reflective and rigid being made sort of like a lute back, so that might mean the rim behaves differently to normal guitars. His plate tuning methods sound highly dubious to me, but I certainly can't argue with the results! :D
I do really want to finish this one, but I'm currently converting my van into a camper which is taking up most of my time at the moment!

Author:  J De Rocher [ Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:49 pm ]
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I just ran across another example of a rim soundhole guitar. The Contreras Carlevaro which has a top without a conventional soundhole, but has a gap all the way around the top between the top and the sides. The edge of the top is connected to the sides by some little blocks. The design is currently being built by a German builder named Eberhard Kreul.

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Contreras Carlevaro photo b.jpg


And here's a photo of how it's braced:

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Carlevaro$20bracing.jpg

Author:  Robert Lak [ Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:26 am ]
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I'm liking the side spreaders. :-)
Tough to improve on the simplicity of that design...

Author:  Alex Kleon [ Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:19 pm ]
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Robert Lak wrote:
I'm liking the side spreaders. :-)
Tough to improve on the simplicity of that design...


Yes, but the knot compromises the integrity of the design! laughing6-hehe

Alex

Author:  J De Rocher [ Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:23 pm ]
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I think the knot is there so the spreader can be installed in the proper orientation. :D

I have a special block of wood that looks just like that that goes in my binding jig to brace the router to prevent any unwanted movement.

Author:  PeterF [ Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:06 pm ]
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That's pretty cool! Not sure I like the shape though! I'd like to hear what it sounds like.
Haha thanks. It's engineered to perfection - the knot is there as a fail-safe so it doesn't exert too much pressure and break the mould... :lol: Actually I'm just too tight to buy those rigging screw things!

Author:  truckjohn [ Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:18 pm ]
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I really want to see this build finished. There's a lot going on with the design.... It needs to come to fruition.

Thanks

Author:  PeterF [ Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:24 pm ]
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Not the best recording, but the best I could find. He starts playing around 1:40. It sounds pretty much like a more conventional good classical guitar to me. Very clear with lots of sustain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQP-NxfRAU

Author:  Bryan Bear [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:15 am ]
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Bumping the finished entries up to the top. . .

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