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Author:  meddlingfool [ Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Removing backs...

Once in a while I have to pull a back for one reason or another.

Yesterday was such a day, and, once again, I had trouble with the seams opening up on the head and tail block. Fortunately, I can use the back to make a smaller guitar and salvage it, but I'm curious as to how others do it?

I wonder if there's a way to do it without using heat? For that seems to be the problem for me. I can get a fairly clean removal all way round til the blocks, and then by the time there is enough heat to soften the glue to get the knife through, the seams have opened up, the wood has changed shape slightly, and the seams no longer fit together. This has happened pretty much every time...

Any tips?

Author:  phavriluk [ Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:49 pm ]
Post subject:  no tip, a dumb question

Would this all go happier if the guitar body was back in a mold? And the seams (I'm guessing the seams are those where the sides butt against each other at the neck and heel) are insulated from the heat that is releasing the back glue?

Author:  meddlingfool [ Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:59 pm ]
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I don't see how putting it in a mood would insulate it...

Author:  Ken Lewis [ Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:05 pm ]
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Ed, You'd need to put on some music maybe?

Author:  Clay S. [ Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:18 pm ]
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Hi Ed,
One more place an oscillating tool comes in handy. The thin blade and ability to plunge cut allows you to saw through the blocks and lose a minimum of body depth. After removing the back you probably clean up the sides and linings on the radius dish to remove glue and such so the blocks can be reprofiled at the same time.

Author:  meddlingfool [ Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:22 pm ]
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Ha ha Ken,

Random stoner rock has been on constant rotation. I only recently discovered stoner rock at the tender age of 44, turns out it's my jam, other than the fact that I don't get stoned...

Clay, that actually seems like a pretty good idea...

Author:  Haans [ Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing backs...

If it was glued with hide glue the front should crack off with some careful tapping with a thinned out spatula. Once you get a little opening up around the edges, it should work. You want to span the center seam glue joint with the spatula when you finally get to that area and the rest is loose. Slow going is the ticket. Never use heat around center seams. The tailblock should be tapered to kerfing width.

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I can't begin to tell you how many folks don't do the taper on the tail block and what a difference it makes. No telegraphing from a wide block with bad humidity care. I was toying with the idea of doing the same on the dovetail block at the bottom before I quit.
A big question is "Is the neck on yet?" Might make it a little easier. The Idea of using an ocillating tool with a very thinned out blade is a good idea too.

Author:  meddlingfool [ Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:05 pm ]
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Nope, no neck yet. I do taper the block at the top but not at the back. Titebond is the glue.

Author:  Haans [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:44 am ]
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Yeech, Titebond...rubbery and "creepy".
Use an oscillating tool and grind the blade thin.

Author:  dofthesea [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:36 pm ]
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Whats your method for heating up the seams? I route the bindings off first then remove back and/or top an heating up a spatula then slowly separating the joint along perimeter. The spatially is very small. so its doesn't spread the heat around. fyi I use a torch to heat spatula.

Author:  Clay S. [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing backs...

They also make scraper blades for oscillating tools - makes it like a power putty knife. I have sharpened them to a knife edge and used them to separate glued joints in furniture. Maybe a little less invasive than the saw blade, but maybe a little more chancy.

Author:  meddlingfool [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing backs...

I generally use an iron...

Author:  Clay S. [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:32 pm ]
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"I generally use an iron..."

Not a bad way to go - unless you have a laminated back gaah

Author:  meddlingfool [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:25 pm ]
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Never used a lam back and don't see it in my future:)

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