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 Post subject: Using burl
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:33 am 
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Gday all:) it’s been a min since my last post! I’m currently on build 33 and am biting off some more “variables” for this guitar. One of those things : I have some buckeye burl I want to use for the headstock and rosette / end wedge. I’ve managed to bookmacg it fine from a block. Thickness is around 1/8 inch probably at this point. I thought it would help w drying and all if it were thinner.

Question is… what is a good way to cure this kind of wood to use in this application? Would wicking water thin ca glue do anything of note to make it less brittle? Epoxy?

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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:56 am 
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I've used it on two instruments for all of those things. On one it was just sanded and lacquered. That was 15 years ago and still fine. The other was a mahogany body so it got some zpoxy on at least the end wedge. The maple burl I used had essentially no voids though. It was definitely pretty fragile stuff but stable once finished. I haven't used buckeye before but assume it's similar.

This was the only pic I could find and it was just sanded and lacquered.
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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:31 pm 
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Thin CA will harden it up nicely. Just a bit expensive and noxious. But maybe not necessary. Those don't look super fragile, and as long as they hold together until glued in place they'll be fine.

If it were mine I'd leave the voids open, and put a layer of black veneer under it. Or India ink might work. But I don't know if it would be good with anything but wipe-on shellac finish. If you're doing a thicker spray finish or brushed varnish, it might build up around the edges or fill them in too much and look weird. French polished shellac also tends to build up on edges.


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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
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I would saturate with thin CA or penetrating epoxy, then glue it to a a backing veneer…


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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:15 am 
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meddlingfool wrote:
I would saturate with thin CA or penetrating epoxy, then glue it to a a backing veneer…


I also like to saturate burls and crotch figure with thin epoxy or CA. the "grain" of these materials runs in all directions and changes of humidity will sometimes cause it shrink and form multiple small cracks. When the pores are filled with epoxy or CA changes of humidity don't seem to affect it.


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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
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Thin CA worked well for this one, but runs the risk of the CA boiling and leaving areas of permanent white. I'd lean toward a thin penetrating epoxy as safer. I would think it would also really "pop" the figure in your burl.


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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:58 pm 
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Man, sorry for the size - haven't posted a picture here for a while.


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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
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That's one gorgeous head!

Thanks for posting the pic.

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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:44 am 
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You have very large voids in that burl - but it dos look very nice. I would saturate it with epoxy, fill the voids and mount it on a backing veneer. Then you have a very stable and usable material to work with.


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 Post subject: Re: Using burl
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:40 am 
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Mark Mc wrote:
You have very large voids in that burl - but it dos look very nice. I would saturate it with epoxy, fill the voids and mount it on a backing veneer. Then you have a very stable and usable material to work with.

I’ll fill the voids no problem. Shellac seal fill w dust from a cut off / thin ca and repeat till it’s filled


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