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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:00 pm 
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Penultimate was no random word choice. The ultimate solution of course being a CNC to do the whole dang thing. This machine is one stop before that, therefore, the penultimate solution.


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Penultimate was no random word choice. The ultimate solution of course being a CNC to do the whole dang thing. This machine is one stop before that, therefore, the penultimate solution.


But penultimate means one up from the bottom, not one down from the top. It is a deceiving word!

I would put a copying carver above that thing though, and an automated (Mechotronic) CC above that, then the CNC.

There are other neck carving jigs out there, and plans for them. I always found carving necks not that hard, it's arched tops that are the real ich! In my case I don't buy anything that can not be used universally, as I don't copy Fender, Gibson... Most of the time I build the stuff myself.

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But penultimate means one up from the bottom, not one down from the top. It is a deceiving word!


You sure about that? I've always known it to mean second from last. I just looked it up and apparently it started out as a linguistic term for the second to last syllable. From Merriam-Webster "Full Definition of penultimate
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: of or relating to the next to the last syllable of a word <a penultimate accent>
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Well, I mean it to mean second best, so let's leave it at that;)



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Ed, I'm sure you'll get the wrinkles ironed out. I've always liked to use the router and patterns as a poor mans
cnc, so to speak. Maybe a smaller cutter, say 1/4 in. would be less grabby and still not slow down the process.
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It's not the cutter so much as it is making sure the pucks are truly the right shape. After a bunch more iterations and starting from scratch, I think I have it dialled. One last test before moving on the real necks, hopefully by tomorrow at latest...


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It's taken a lot of shop time to get it ready to cut our most common nut width, but hopefully the next set of profiles will go a bit faster...overall, it's a well thought out and executed design. Hopefully it will streamline production.


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Yahtzee! Perfectly symmetrical, perfectly straight, and within a few thou of the CNC neck it was modelled after...:)

Doesn't save nearly as much time as I had hoped, but way less wear and tear on the old bones, which is what counts!


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Sounds like you need someone to CNC you some new bones!!! ;) It can't be that far off now.

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idunno penultimate is a strange word, as ultimate is either at the top or as near it as one can get, whereas penultimate means: second to last, one prior to the bottom, second to worst... laughing6-hehe


No, penultimate is properly used. Means "next to ultimate". Interweb is a great argument settler. Yes, next to last, but in this sense, last means the "ultimate". Confusing. But last means ultimate.


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[quote=No, penultimate is properly used. Means "next to ultimate". Interweb is a great argument settler. Yes, next to last, but in this sense, last means the "ultimate". Confusing. But last means ultimate.


I had to look that one up in the first place, because I had never heard it. Context is meaningful: First and last refer to events, time and occurrences, we are talking about a device here, and a CNC being the ultimate. See "Ultimate" definition 2 below.

Nowhere could I find "penultimate" defined as "next to ultimate" as you wrote, nor "ultimate" defined as "worse" (bad, good or better device).

In all reality penultimate is normally only used in conjunction with writing, story telling (Chapters), theater (Acts) and the like, and that is where the "Pen" part is from:

From Meriam Webster (Urban dictionary's do not count in my book!):

Definition of ultimate:
1 happening or coming at the end of a process, series of events, etc.
2 greatest or most extreme
—used to refer to the original or basic source or cause of something

Definition of penultimate:
1 next to the last <the penultimate chapter of a book>
2 of or relating to the next to the last syllable of a word <a penultimate accent>

You were right about the interweb though! But use with caution, as it is also the largest source of misinformation too!

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All verbiage aside, I'm glad you got it working, Ed. These days, any wood working tools I invest in need to help save my body. If they can do it faster and better, bonus!

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All of a sudden, we are all expert linguists? If CNC is the last thing ever invented for neck carving (and perhaps the best thing), then something like the OP's solution is the next to last. It is the penultimate solution. Where folks are getting confused is on the use of ultimate. And he used "penultimate" correctly.


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Right, well...

Anyone who has any questions about the machine feel free to ask away.


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meddlingfool wrote:
Right, well...

Anyone who has any questions about the machine feel free to ask away.


The link has shown out of stock since this was posted. Do you know the availability or timing?

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I don't know. I noticed that as well. I would assume at some point they'll be available again...



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meddlingfool wrote:
Right, well...

Anyone who has any questions about the machine feel free to ask away.


Lol. I'm in. I think it's a cool rig.


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Me too.

FWIW, communications have been active and agreeable. I may have pulled the last one from the shelf but they are an ongoing concern as far as I know. Anyway, I think these folk provide a pretty cool piece of kit for those who are interested.


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I've always thought that this neck shaping belt sander Charles Fox dreamed up is pretty cool. He uses graphite cloth on the posts rather than idle pulleys. I played one of the instruments with this type neck, I do have to say the heel was a little weirdly shaped but perfectly functional. Better pictures can be found here:
http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Feature ... fox01.html


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Neato! We toyed with making something like that for the Ridgid, but then this became available.


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