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WudWerkr

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build " SEE OFFICAL RULES IN DOCU-BUILD "

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:26 pm

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Darryl Young wrote:

Agree with James......Todd's definition is very workable. If I'm a pro, I wouldn't mind building with local woods but I wouldn' waste my time with cheap tuners. So it's simple to leave the hardware out of the cost and it doesn't affect the tone.......and it's doubtful folks will put Waverly's on a $150 instrument.

It would be sorta fun to see a Walnut challenge. Use whatever top/neck you want but back and sides must be American sourced Walnut. I bet there would be some killer guitars built. Then you could just forget about tracking cost.

Bought a set of 6 open back Waverly chrome tuners from guitar fetish last week for $25.00 . I emailed them to verify that it was for 6 and they confirmed it was.

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Corky Long

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build Challenge here ?

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:28 pm

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WudWerkr wrote:

oval soundhole wrote:

Ok, have you decided that maybe it might be a good idea to have the deadline be in June? That gives 6 months for completion which seems more realistic for many members.

Yes I am kicking that idea around , just didnt want to drag it out to long . how about may 30th 180 days ?

I'd be in for a May 30 deadline.... April's just too tight, what with 3 kids, etc.

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WudWerkr

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build Challenge here ?

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:37 pm

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Corky Long wrote:

WudWerkr wrote:

oval soundhole wrote:

Ok, have you decided that maybe it might be a good idea to have the deadline be in June? That gives 6 months for completion which seems more realistic for many members.

Yes I am kicking that idea around , just didnt want to drag it out to long . how about may 30th 180 days ?

I'd be in for a May 30 deadline.... April's just too tight, what with 3 kids, etc.

Done see the Rules in Doc-u-build

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Darrin D Oilar

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build " SEE OFFICAL RULES IN DOC-U-BUILD "

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:57 pm

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I would like to put my hat in the ring too. It would be fun, as I have seen on build challenges at the Telecaster forum and mimf to do a bit of photo documentation of the build. They are always interesting reads. I think too that showing the pile of raw materials one is starting with and a dated challenge entry form is something they do at the Telecaster forum to make sure we're all starting from scratch. But as it's all for fun and to have some interest in new builds, I don't know how much formality we need to go through.

I love these build challenges.

Great job getting this going Wud.

Darrin

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Florentin

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build Challenge here ?

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:17 pm

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mirage_al wrote:

Hi All,

I'd love to be involved...you need someone to come last!

No, that spot is already taken by ME! duh

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P Bill

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build Challenge here ?

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:50 pm

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WudWerkr wrote:

DennisK wrote:

Filippo Morelli wrote:

May I ask a simple question: What is the purpose of the $150 limit in your eyes, Jim?

Filippo

In my eyes, it just makes it more fun and relaxing because you know nobody's going to be building up a $1000 set of Brazilian. Also a good time for more experienced folks to show the newbies what you can pull off even without using expensive materials. Like the "$100 build challenge" and "back yard build" rolled into one, with the restrictions loosened

Pricing is definitely confusing though, with woods bought from luthier places, lumberyards, salvaged, harvested from personal property, received as gifts, part of a bundle, scraps/offcuts from past builds... I honestly don't know how to properly classify everything, so I think we should just go loosely $150-ish and don't worry too much about it.

In other words, the cheaper and more local, the better, but it's all a gradual scale of goodness and not strict requirements.

And as for this, which I think was in response to my first post in this thread

P Bill wrote:

I think a quote from Warton Esherick is appropriate for this comp. Esherick is the godfather of fine contempory American furniture. It's a philosophy that will serve anyone that makes things.

I'm paraphrasing, I can't fine the exact quote: " If you can't make something beautiful with what grows in your backyard you're in the wrong game".

I sort of agree, but on the other hand not. I don't much enjoy the rough processing of wood into blanks, so I usually buy stuff from luthier supply places or people here. Maybe that should disqualify me from this competition, but I don't think it makes me unfit to build at all. I have a great appreciation for doing things completely from nothing, but the purity of the idea is corrupted as soon as I have to involve another person in the acquisition of the wood. So unless a tree falls down in my back yard (which I hope doesn't happen within my lifetime, because I love all the trees there), I might as well save myself some drudgery and involve people to the point of cutting to blanks and start from there.

I'm just gonna relax on the local wood point and have fun with it.

I think the idea was "local woods " IE the spirit of the situation So yes its not a hard fast rule , again as Ive said befor the spirit of honesty prevails

Hi Dennis K., the quote was only in response to the general spirit of the thread. It's not severe, unyielding dogma. For me, workmanship and design are more important than exotic materials.

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Arnt Rian

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build " SEE OFFICAL RULES IN DOC-U-BUILD "

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:43 pm

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I have participated in 3 of the "challenges" over on MIMF, and here are some of my observations (and opinions, FWIW etc...)

It is quite possible to build a first rate instrument for <$100. Did you see Al Carruth's innovative harp guitar a couple of years ago?!. You may have to settle for so-so tuners, but these can be swapped out after the fact. I think finding creative solutions for some of the limitations set by the low budget is what actually makes is a "challenge".

Keeping the build period short further adds to the "challenge", and actually makes some choices easier, as it forces you to keep things simple, or at least manageable withing the time limit. It adds to intensity of the happening, and forces everyone to keep focused, and hopefully more interesting to those following it. I think it also adds to the sense of community and enhances the camaraderie to those participating, as people can't drop out for long periods.

Here's a link to the "challenge" thread where I built a classical, with mostly local woods (and won, wohooo!)

http://www.mimf.com/cgi-bin/WebX?128@158.h84WaFqTJam.506930@.2cb6eac1

The MIMF challenge classical

This was what I built for the first one I was in; a mandola with local woods only, hence the name: Norwegian Wood Mandola... (that thread, as well as all the other's from that year, including Al's harp guitar, are unfortunately not archived)

Here's what you do if you start with plain, local woods and a plan to keep things simple and within budget, but find out during the challenge that you have misunderstood the rules: Go all out, and bling things up! I got disqualified of course, but ended up with a nice rockabilly guitar.

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WudWerkr

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build " SEE OFFICAL RULES IN DOC-U-BUILD "

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:56 pm

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Arnt Rian wrote:

THANK YOU ARNT RYAN !!!! Been trying to get that across , it CAN be done

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WudWerkr

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build " SEE OFFICAL RULES IN DOC-U-BUILD "

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:26 pm

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The real winner will be the guy who can pull off the $150.00 Piano !! laughing6-hehe

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sumo

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build " SEE OFFICAL RULES IN DOC-U-BUILD "

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:07 pm

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I soooo want to join but I currently have next to no tools and nothing in the way of luthier tools. Don't even have a bench... I'm gearing up now to start building guitars so I don't think I could finish in time. It would just take too much money in a short amount of time and to get all the jigs and stuff together would take too much time out of the build too.
Definitely count me in for next year though... if there will be one . I hope there is, hint hint

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alan stassforth

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:48 pm

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I'm tacking here,
and not building 2,
but 1 of another type instrument.
So count me in.
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but I don't think one exists in the universe.

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Tai Fu

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:56 pm

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Is it a cat piano?

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alan stassforth

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build " SEE OFFICAL RULES IN DOC-U-BUILD "

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:05 am

Brazilian Rosewood

NO!!!!!
Good one!

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WudWerkr

Post subject: Re: Any Interest in A Build " SEE OFFICAL RULES IN DOC-U-BUILD "

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:52 am

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Ohhh Alan , Alan , Alan . You were signed up days ago ! laughing6-hehe

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