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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:03 am 
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It has a lot of issues:

The top is developing a crack,
There's no rosette,
The bridge is in the wrong place,
The binding joint has gaps.

I was going to do some destructive testing on it, but the you guys talked me into using it as an opportunity to learn some repair skills instead.

So, I'm putting a new top on it. I'll probably also take the back off, and re-brace it, since it's lost all it's curvature. It'll be getting a new neck, with a shorter scale length. It's also going to be a 12 string.


Here's the crack:

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After the neck is off:

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Routing off the binding:

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Then rout off as much of the top as I can:

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:06 am 
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I had to cut the rest of the way with a saw:

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It's like a time capsule :D :

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Here's the new top with all it's braces glued on:

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:40 am 
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Cool project, Phillip. Good on you for using it as a learning opportunity. Hope you'll share with us what you learn.

Regarding the back, any idea why it lost its curvature? The braces look pretty standard in the photo.


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That's a brave rebuild. But its only from 2009!

I've pondered the same approach for my first, but decided to leave it. I'd rather invest the effort into moving forward than in bringing the past up to the present.

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Philip,
It takes alot of courage to retop one of your own!
But then again, that`s part of the journey, no?
Did you decide to make any changes to the bracing while you were at it? Just curious. pizza
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:26 pm 
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CharlieT wrote:
Cool project, Phillip. Good on you for using it as a learning opportunity. Hope you'll share with us what you learn.

Regarding the back, any idea why it lost its curvature? The braces look pretty standard in the photo.


The back lost it's curve before it was installed. I should have re-braced it then, but I didn't.




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Philip,
It takes alot of courage to retop one of your own!
But then again, that`s part of the journey, no?
Did you decide to make any changes to the bracing while you were at it? Just curious. pizza
Coe



The original top was braced according to Cumpianos book, which suggested pretty beefy braces. I've since been making them much slimmer, but the new one here is beefed up again because it's going to be a 12 string. The X braces are 5/8" tall at the intersection, and 5/16" thick. For a 6 string, I've been using 1/2" tall by 1/4".



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Not that I know anything, but that looks like a pretty thick neck block. No weight concerns? Oh that's right. It's a twelve string now. duh

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:34 am 
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nickton wrote:
Not that I know anything, but that looks like a pretty thick neck block. No weight concerns? Oh that's right. It's a twelve string now. duh



Actually, you're right. But this was an early guitar, and I didn't know any better. I considered replacing it with mahogany, but decided to let it be.

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:11 pm 
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Some more pics. I got the top glued on and the binding and purfling installed:

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Now for the back. Initially, I was going to simply take this back off and re-brace it, but I decided it was too thin anyway so I'm making a new back. First, have to rout off the old one:

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:15 pm 
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Filling in the kerfing:

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While the back is off, I have to do some things I didn't do before, like cap the X, make the bridge and FB extension cauls.

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Also did some more work on the neck:

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:16 pm 
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Bracing the back:

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Tell us again what is going to be left of the original guitar?


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:18 pm 
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Hupaand wrote:
Tell us again what is going to be left of the original guitar?



Ha ha. The sides, head and tail blocks, kerfing, and I'm going to try to reuse the bridge.

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:28 pm 
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Got the back on:

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Before someone asks, I did carve the back braces. I just didn't get a picture of it. ;)

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