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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:49 pm 
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I just wonder if I should go with 800 rather than 1200 for any reason?

And what kind of off-the-shelf unit could I use for controlling temperature? I'm struggling to find something.

Thanks in advance for any advice,
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:00 pm 
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Nick, you might want to PM Fred Tellier about controllers. He's helped quite a few people, and he is a really good guy!

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Thanks, Alex! Will do. :)


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I think I'm going to order it tonight. 1200 watt must be ok or there wouldn't be demand? Guess it'll just speed up the process.


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My blanket, from Omega, was rated at 10 watts and I could have gotten a 5 watt model so I'm a bit confused about 800 - 1200 watt heating blankets.

I just looked again at the Omega specs ad noticed it's 5 or 10 watts per sq inch so not sure how that relates. I got the 10 watt PSI and it very hot very very fast - will smoke itself pretty quickly if not watched carefully..

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Easiest off the shelf temp controller is a router speed controller from Harbor Freight.

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-spe ... 43060.html

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These are they...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keenovo-Silicone-Heater-Heating-Blanket-Guitar-Side-Bender-6-X-36-800W-220V-/271396127432?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Access_RL&hash=item3f307842c8
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keenovo-Silicone-Heater-Heating-Blanket-Guitar-Side-Bender-15-95cm-1200W-220V-/281264981600?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Access_RL&hash=item417cb30660

36 inch by 6 inch = area of 220ish, divide the 1200 by that and it seems like the 1200 watt is 5 per square inch... Or is that 10? Electronics is not something I tend to touch to often.

Would you say the 10 is overkill? Or just advising to be careful with it?

I may have to get one of those harbor freight ones. Can't find them over here. Maybe I'm not looking right.

Thanks for the help, Larry!


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I really like the blanket i have and couldn't imagine having only half the power. It's a bit like horsepower, can't really have too much but you have to be more careful. So to answer your question more directly, no I don't think the 10 is overkill.

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Awesome. Cheers, Larry!
Now to work out if I got that maths right. I hope the 1200 is 10w psi!

EDIT: No, it looks like it's definitely is 5w psi. So thank goodness I risked overposting and asked! The hunt continues....


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Larry, I just checked on Omega, and they don't list a 10w psi 6 x 36" blanket... What size did you get?

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Keenovo-Silicone-Heater-Blanket-6-X37-4-1-2KW-220V-w-Rainbow-Thermostat-0-200-C-/00/s/MTA1NlgxNTg0/z/tLAAAOxy4fVTFHYp/$_58.JPG
I can get that with it for 12 quid extra. Should be as good as the router controller but only goes up to 200 degrees C (392 fareingheit).


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That site is very hard to navigate for me. It's been a very long time and can't recall what I ordered or what I got. Sorry I can't be of any more help.

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No worries at all, Larry, thanks for all your help! I'll hold off on ordering a little longer!
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Anyone else using a 5 watt per square inch one happily?


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If IIRC the blanket I use is 2.5 W /sq.in. and it works fine. I think many people use the 5 watt blankets. In the U.S. household voltage is 110v, so a 10w blanket could potentially draw over 18 amps - exceeding the recommended limit for many branch circuits. In England with 220v circuits the amperage may not be a concern (what gage wire is used for branch circuits there?).
The 5w blanket might be easier to find a controller for also.


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Easiest off the shelf temp controller is a router speed controller


That is not a temperature controller, it will control the amount of power to the blanket but does not control the temperature, you must do that by monitoring the temperature. A temperature controller uses a thermocouple to monitor and adjust automatically to the temperature you have set then will hold it within a couple degrees of the set temperature.

I also added a timer to my controller box as sometimes a person can get distracted and might forget the controller is still heating the wood, 15 minutes is plenty long enough to bend and set a side.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:43 am 
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Clay S. wrote:
If IIRC the blanket I use is 2.5 W /sq.in. and it works fine. I think many people use the 5 watt blankets. In the U.S. household voltage is 110v, so a 10w blanket could potentially draw over 18 amps - exceeding the recommended limit for many branch circuits. In England with 220v circuits the amperage may not be a concern (what gage wire is used for branch circuits there?).
The 5w blanket might be easier to find a controller for also.



Cool, thanks, Clay! That makes m'mind up! I don't know what gauge wire we use. If i need something wired, I call a mate! :lol:


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Fred Tellier wrote:
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Easiest off the shelf temp controller is a router speed controller


That is not a temperature controller, it will control the amount of power to the blanket but does not control the temperature, you must do that by monitoring the temperature. A temperature controller uses a thermocouple to monitor and adjust automatically to the temperature you have set then will hold it within a couple degrees of the set temperature.

I also added a timer to my controller box as sometimes a person can get distracted and might forget the controller is still heating the wood, 15 minutes is plenty long enough to bend and set a side.

Fred



Thanks Fred, Does this rainbow controller fit the bill?

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Keenovo-Silicone-Heater-Blanket-6-X37-4-1-2KW-220V-w-Rainbow-Thermostat-0-200-C-/00/s/MTA1NlgxNTg0/z/tLAAAOxy4fVTFHYp/$_58.JPG


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It does look like the Rainbow has a thermo coupler. I assume the dial is used to set heat in Celsius. If those are true it should work as a controller... how good of a controller? That would be the question. The kind I am use to shows the actual temp and the set temp in a digital display. That does give you a better feeling for what is going on.

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Thanks for the input, Joe! That's kinda what I figured. I bought it anyway. For £12 it's worth a shot! Was dispatched yesterday.
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Definitely interested in how you get on with this blanket, as I have been considering one myself

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Nick Royle wrote:
Thanks for the input, Joe! That's kinda what I figured. I bought it anyway. For £12 it's worth a shot! Was dispatched yesterday.
Cheers!


And Nick please let us know how that controller goes. I've been looking for something in 220v that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
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Will do, Shane, no worries!


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building a blanket controller is easy, look up some of Freds posts...mine consists of a pid controller, ebay for about 35 bucks , 20 amp solid state relay, thermocouple wire , cheap timer and a regular 110 outlet..


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Very neat. Lucky you didn't post before I bought it or my brother would've given me an even harder time for not making it myself! Mine was only £12 though!? If it works well, it will have saved some dough.

(Thinking about it, I probably didn't do enough searching about the controller, just asked. My bad.)


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Hi All,

I got back from holiday a couple of days ago and the blanket arrived today. It's porbably a couple of weeks before i can test it but here are some pics for now...

£72 on eBay direct from Keenovo - free delivery took just less than 3 weeks.

I still need to put a plug on it. The controller seems good to me, if it works well. The thermometer connection is a bare silver wire, I don't know if that's usual or what?

The controller worked out to £12, so I don't mind if I have to buy another one. I thought it was worth the gamble. As soon as I've made my bender and mould, I'm going to give it a full test and I'll report my findings.

Would love to hear any thoughts from those who were waiting to see what I thought of it.


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I'd be interested to see if this works too. Just been thinking about upgrading to a bending machine myself. Where did you find that controller though? The only one from keenovo I can find on ebay is this one for £60... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-PID-C ... 417fc23b91

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