Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:51 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:53 am 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13089
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
It was around 1985 that Martin started building their great guitars with truss rods, a very welcome thing.

In around 2006 Martin seeing the advantages that I speak of till I'm blue in the face here on the OLF... :D Martin started building with an excellent two way rod. I never built with this rod I used the Blanchard rod and now 18 years later the rods continuer to perform flawlessly. But the Martin 2 way rod is something that I would have built with had I continued to build it works great and gets great reviews from the people who I listen to.

And now.... drum roll please Martin has been doing some pretty innovative things and one if them is yet another new truss rod a two way with a 4 mm adjustor instead of the 5 mm adjuster that they have used since 1985.

We are also seeing a paddle/neck block arrangement too on some of the models such as the excellent D-28 Modern Deluxe that I worked on yesterday which, by the way has EVO... RIP wire.

So if you are going to be working on or purchasing a new Martin you may need a new truss rod wrench.

Any ordinary, quality 4 mm Allen wrench will work but I do all my adjustments unless I am doing fret work under full string tension and tuned to pitch. An ordinary Allen key does not have the leverage on the short side to make this effortless and accurate in my experience and you have to feel around in there to get proper engagement too. So a longer handle Allen wrench such as the one available on Martin's site in 4 mm is a good way to go.

You can make your own too but even the Martin wrench is only around $15, mouse nuts and likely well worth it. Amazon has no frills ones too with a longer short side but no nice handle like the Martin 4 mm wrench.

_________________
Ann Arbor Guitars



These users thanked the author Hesh for the post (total 3): Kbore (Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:45 pm) • Pmaj7 (Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:10 pm) • bcombs510 (Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:18 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:27 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:12 am
Posts: 679
Location: United States
I have a few of the 5mm Martin OEM rods. Do you know if the new Martin OEM 4mm 2-way rods are available for purchase?



These users thanked the author guitarjtb for the post: Hesh (Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:55 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:01 am 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13089
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
guitarjtb wrote:
I have a few of the 5mm Martin OEM rods. Do you know if the new Martin OEM 4mm 2-way rods are available for purchase?


Don't know and I don't know if the 5 mm are going to be discontinued from production use. My post is more to let people who work on Martins know that we all need to have both 5 mm and 4 mm long shaft, right angle wrenches now.

Maybe check their web site for what they sell?

UPDATE: I've always checked things as far as I can for OLFers so I checked the web site and no listing for any truss rods but they do have the new 4mm truss rod wrenches.

The 18 whatever it was shop still sells stuff so there must be some availability of stuff that is not on their site. We can get any of their parts but they are not on the site. You know who would know for sure is John Hall he is as knowledgable about Martin as anyone I have ever known maybe ask him?

_________________
Ann Arbor Guitars



These users thanked the author Hesh for the post (total 3): Kbore (Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:45 pm) • CraigG (Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:35 pm) • bcombs510 (Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:18 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:06 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:36 am
Posts: 7257
Location: Southeast US
City: Lenoir City
State: TN
Zip/Postal Code: 37772
Country: US
Focus: Repair
I’ve already built with a few of the new 4mm truss rods. Got them from Andy Birko.


Steve

_________________
Steve Smith
"Music is what feelings sound like"



These users thanked the author SteveSmith for the post: Hesh (Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:55 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:19 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:12 am
Posts: 679
Location: United States
Hesh wrote:
guitarjtb wrote:
I have a few of the 5mm Martin OEM rods. Do you know if the new Martin OEM 4mm 2-way rods are available for purchase?


Don't know and I don't know if the 5 mm are going to be discontinued from production use. My post is more to let people who work on Martins know that we all need to have both 5 mm and 4 mm long shaft, right angle wrenches now.

Maybe check their web site for what they sell?

UPDATE: I've always checked things as far as I can for OLFers so I checked the web site and no listing for any truss rods but they do have the new 4mm truss rod wrenches.

The 18 whatever it was shop still sells stuff so there must be some availability of stuff that is not on their site. We can get any of their parts but they are not on the site. You know who would know for sure is John Hall he is as knowledgable about Martin as anyone I have ever known maybe ask him?


I checked the Martin website and did a little other research before my original post. Thanks for the info.


Last edited by guitarjtb on Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:40 am, edited 1 time in total.


These users thanked the author guitarjtb for the post: Hesh (Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:55 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:20 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:12 am
Posts: 679
Location: United States
SteveSmith wrote:
I’ve already built with a few of the new 4mm truss rods. Got them from Andy Birko.


Steve


Thanks, I will check with Andy.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:29 am 
Online
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:15 pm
Posts: 7259
First name: Ed
Last Name: Bond
City: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Image



These users thanked the author meddlingfool for the post: Hesh (Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:55 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Facebook [Bot], meddlingfool and 51 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com