Official Luthiers Forum!

Solely owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:30 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:43 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:26 pm
Posts: 160
First name: Carl
Last Name: Dickinson
City: Forest Ranch
State: California
Zip/Postal Code: 95942
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I bought it in 1973 and used it quite a bit back then but it's lived in its case for many years. I put a FRAP pickup in it, remember those? After finishing the last two builds I got it out with the intention of a clean up / tune up and found the celluloid binding cracking and coming up in several places. One 5" piece is missing. There is some staining of the wood under the finish along side of the cracks maybe caused by moisture damage? I'll just live with that.
The shrinking pickguard caused the typical crack along the neck into and across the soundhole. Took the pickguard off causing a little damage under it but that part is all easily fixable. The finish is cracked all over but I think it adds to the charm.
My questions are:
Can I stabilize the binding cracks and reattach it in the loose spots with CA? or what?
The binding is .10" thick and any I can find at LMI/SM is about .058" (I did get a couple of pieces from China that were .058"). Is the thicker stuff available anywhere? Should I just double it up? It's hard to get the tortoise shell look cause the blotches don't match up. It's on the back so it probably won't matter.
I think I can get away without a neck reset for a while but it will need some action work when I string it up again.

Here's some pics:
Attachment:
PICT0282.JPG

Attachment:
PICT0283.JPG

Attachment:
PICT0284.JPG

Attachment:
PICT0285.JPG

Attachment:
PICT0263.JPG

Attachment:
PICT0286.JPG


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.


Last edited by CarlD on Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:56 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 4130
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
I not only remember FRAP, I remember Barcus-Berry - and installed several of each back in the day. On your binding, I wouldn't suggest CA - maybe someone else has experience doing that. I get several old guitars crossing my bench yearly with crumbling and cracked binding, and believe it or not - the old standby still works for me. I am referring to those green and yellow tubes of Duco Cement. Careful application of Duco will hold the old binding and stabilize it. In really bad situations (worse than yours), I gently rub the affected area with Duco and melt it all back together. It does smear a bit, but will smooth out as it cures.

Obviously, this won't help your neck situation at all. Good luck with all of it!

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:51 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:26 pm
Posts: 160
First name: Carl
Last Name: Dickinson
City: Forest Ranch
State: California
Zip/Postal Code: 95942
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thanks Chris. That helps a lot. It probably has a lacquer finish and I know CA doesn't mix with that too well and the Duco might not either. I'll tape it off good.
Yeah, the FRAP preamp quit years ago, so I removed it. I bought a Miniflex 2 from Ken Donnell (he lives up the mountain from me) and thought I'd mount that in there for a while.
The neck will just take a fret dressing , maybe a new saddle. Should go OK.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:06 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 4130
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
Quote:
Thanks Chris. That helps a lot. It probably has a lacquer finish and I know CA doesn't mix with that too well and the Duco might not either. I'll tape it off good.
Yeah, the FRAP preamp quit years ago, so I removed it. I bought a Miniflex 2 from Ken Donnell (he lives up the mountain from me) and thought I'd mount that in there for a while.
The neck will just take a fret dressing , maybe a new saddle. Should go OK.


Actually, CA works well with lacquer (as long as you don't do something stupid). Duco will mess with lacquer, which is why I advised care.

Miniflex stuff is GREAT! I used to be the only shop in Kansas who actually stocked the things. Please say HI to Ken. I haven't seen him since the winter NAMM show in 1990. Tell him I'm still kicking!

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:00 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:26 pm
Posts: 160
First name: Carl
Last Name: Dickinson
City: Forest Ranch
State: California
Zip/Postal Code: 95942
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thanks again, I'll try to tack the binding with CA which is how I've been doing it lately anyway and then touch it up with Duco.

Ken has a little music center up in Greenwood, CA. His website is https://donnellsmusicland.com/. You can contact him there.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:13 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:06 pm
Posts: 2603
Location: Magnolia DE
First name: Brian
Last Name: Howard
City: Magnolia
State: Delaware
Zip/Postal Code: 19962
Country: United States
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
Careful application of medium or thick CA ( depending on how much is missing) will work well. It is a slow and tedious process. I do it drop by drop.

Do not use this method at the rosette! it will discolor the spruce.

_________________
Brian

You never know what you are capable of until you actually try.



http://www.brianhowardguitars.com
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Howard-G ... 3702413493
http://howardguitars.blogspot.com/



These users thanked the author B. Howard for the post: CarlD (Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:46 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com