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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:49 am 
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I have been reading up a little on the double top concept . Has anyone ever tried that idea in a Mandolin , Or in an Octive Mando ?

What are peoples thoughts on That ? Think it would be worth the experimental effort , or is the box simply to small to be effective ?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:58 am 
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Are there flat-top mandos? Or are you thinking double-top carved top?
Chris

Either ! Just wondered if the double top concept has been tried ? sounds like an experimant in the making .

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Exactly what would be the theoretical advantage?

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JJ Donohue wrote:
Exactly what would be the theoretical advantage?



Dont know ? may not be any ? truth be told its one of those ideas that may bear trying before we would know
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For a mando... I haven't seen it. But for a carved top. Yes it has. By me It's a pain in the butt though.
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Would you be willing to post some pics of it and give us your feed back ?

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Charles Fox asked me the same thing at Healdsburg when I told him about the idea, "What is the point?" And at the time I had merely thought "I'll be cool and it'll be fun to see what happens."

But now I have a real answer. What I plan to do with the idea is to one day make an archtop (for aesthetic reasons... I love them!)


I look forward to seeing the results . I have read alot on search , apparently didnt come across that thread .

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He didn't like that answer, and needless to say we got into a little bit of a tussle. I don't think he likes me very much
oops_sign I can tell you lost sleep over that ! laughing6-hehe

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But now I have a real answer
Give me your feed back , whats the real answer?

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I dont know if your like me chris , But I have a hard time dealing with the " It Cant be done " Or The " Why would you want to " type responses . My come back Is " Why Cant it , Have you tried " and " Why wouldnt I want to " .

The Greatest Discoverys in the world were met with initial scepticism . So Maybe I never make a Major contribution to Luthrie .

But when its all said and done . I can Say , Yes or No . Because I Tried !! [:Y:]

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This is making me think of the possibility of using thin plates, with nomex in the center, and gluing them, while wet, on an arch-top shaped form, instead of carving the top. I know they are form pressing backs, why not form press double tops? The glue-up would be very stiff, and should be very stable.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:15 am 
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I guess I'm not understanding this concept. How would you graduate the top? The old press top instruments were not graduated, and pretty much inferior in tone. I would think that a mandolin is too small anyway to get that "busy" with the top.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:31 am 
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Thanks for the link chris . Cool experiment. I am understanding by your comment that #1 is dead implies you havent given up on this idea ? [:Y:]

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:20 am 
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Chris...I get it.
1) You like the looks of archtops but not their sound, therefore,
2) You want to make an archtop guitar that sounds like a flat top guitar, and if successful,
3) You wish to take those results and use it as a lubricant for Charles' next digital prostate exam wow7-eyes

Nothing at all wrong with #1 & #2. I question #3... but if it provides an extra incentive then who am I to argue.

So this is the Mandolin Forum and it's where we hope to teach and learn about all things mandolin. My original question still stands..."What theoretical advantage will a double top give to a mandolin?" I am not disparaging the idea, only trying to clarify intent.

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I have a hard time dealing with the " It Cant be done " Or The " Why would you want to " type responses . My come back Is " Why Cant it , Have you tried " and " Why wouldnt I want to " .


First of all, nobody said it couldn't be done. Wud's response employs the old unfair tactic of asking to prove a negative, and really doesn't help to advance the discussion. But I did ask why...and that's still valid...sorry. I don't think I'm alone when I say that I can organize an experiment better if I try to establish a hypothesis or set a goal when nurturing an idea, because sure enough...If I don't know what I'm looking for, I'll never know if I've found it. Random thoughts without any stated purpose will always generate those pesky followup questions.

Then there are the activities that we do based on a hunch or just for the hell of it. This is valid work but IMO, best just done without even announcing. Just do it and report the results before folks talk you out of pursuing the idea. I think that's where you are, Wud and I would like to encourage you to channel that creative energy and pursue the answers just like you have done with other projects you've shown. I like these courageous and freewheeling bravados who push the envelope and challenge conventional thinking.

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But I did ask why...and that's still valid...sorry. I don't think I'm alone when I say that I can organize an experiment better if I try to establish a hypothesis or set a goal when nurturing an idea, because sure enough...If I don't know what I'm looking for, I'll never know if I've found it
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Then there are the activities that we do based on a hunch or just for the hell of it. This is valid work but IMO, best just done without even announcing.


( 1 ) I sincerly apologize to you JJ that comment wasnt directed at you at all, I have met several people in my efforts who ask that question in a " Negative demeaning manner " ( not that i think that was what you were doing ) and in this forum its easy to miss peoples motives for asking . That Having been said , If i offended you I do apologize .


( 2 ) Most Of what Im doing / asking is based on a hunch , and it wasnt meant as announcement , was more meant as question to find out what people have done , and build on the backs of there experimants already .

And when a idea is based on a hunch , the ONLY way to determine why / why not to do somthing is best found by experimentation. Asking and seeing what others have done is great , and chris efforts are to be applauded IMHO . However someone else may look at what chris has done , have a slightly diffrent approach and it work . If that individual simply said "why" and didnt experiment , his contribution could be lost .

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There was never any disrespect felt Wud...we just like to debate and ask those pesky questions. Keep thinking outside of the box! You'll have more failures than successes but it's often the best way to learn...and occasionally you just may be rewarded with a breakthrough.

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