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I am making my daughter a guitar Cocobolo back and sides , Maple Neck , Pink Ivory binding , end plates and possibly tuner knobs . What I am wondering about is " Perfling and Rosette " I dont feel good enough yet to attempt my own . So I am looking for suggestions on " Premade stuff " that might work in this sitch . OR Who out there is good at making those items does so for whampum ?

Please , all suggestions welcome .

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Wud,

I think you're probably more able to make a simple rosette than you're giving yourself credit for. All you need is a circle cutter for your router, or a fly cutter that you can adjust carefully and you can make a simple single, double or 3-ring rosette. Purfling that comes in BWB or WBW or even BW can make some decent rings, and maybe a set of abalone for the center ring or so.
You can run some test cuts in mdf, and chisel out the middle sections. Or hey...now's the time to invest in a rosette cutting device of some sort like this one.

My first jig for rosettes was a piece of 1/2" baltic birch ply that I turned into a big router base, added some 1/16" dia holes and used a 1/16" bit as a pivot to spin a top on the router with. I held the router upside down in a vise and actually turned the top rather than the router. It worked great, but took some testing to get the holes in the plywood in the right spot.

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Yeah, the Pink Ivory and the coco could be an odd combo, but if that's what she likes...


It wouldn't be my first choice either.

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Guess I dont follow suggestion 2 ? You mean give making them a whirl myself ?

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Instead of the coco you could use wenge. I have been thinking about doing a wenge with pink ivory binding combo myself. Don't be scared of the rosette. You can always practice a few on some scrap.

Robbie

Soooooooooooo what would you suggest as a binding perfling choice for cocobo then ?

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Well if the neck is curly maple you could do curly maple bindings that match the neck.

Rob

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The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
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The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
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While I can't offer specific suggestions to tie Cocobolo to Pink ivory.... I can offer that Veneer can easily be cut into thin strips - and it works great in purflings and in rosettes... especially simple line rosettes...

So long as your rosette channel is near to some multiple of 0.022" - it works out pretty well...

Thanks

Wud, I say go for it; make them yourself. Cutting the ring and binding channels are the hardest part anyway, and you will have to do those steps yourself. You are more than capable of doing this. Just don't try to get too fancy at first.

I like the idea of bringing the neck wood into the binding. Assuming the topmost spruce, you may want to put a dark purfling line between the maple and spruce. Maybe coco.

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White Winge huh , hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wonder where a guy could get some of that

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Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
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Sooooo , what im getting from this is , maybe the lighter maple neck and bindings wouldnt be the best choice either ?

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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Re, Cocobolo with Pink Ivory. If you've alread got some Coco, and Pink Ivory lay them next to each other, as well a the maple for the neck, and whatever materials your considering. It's easier for me to actually look at stuff than to visualize it. Same goes for purfling. Several really smart people have said stay away from the Pink Ivory binding. I suspect laying the pieces together will comfirm this.

Another option, whenever I have doubts I show the materials to my Wife. Her "fashion sense" is alot better than mine.

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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How dark is your cocobolo? All of my sets are plenty dark to differentiate from pink ivory, and I think the lack of contrast would be quite pleasing. I wish I'd saved the thread, but I remember a guitar someone posted on here maybe a year ago that was all very medium chocolate brown shades with no major contrasting bits, and I loved it.

On the other hand, you could add maple/black side purfling lines to give it a defined edge.

I would think again about the maple neck though. Too bright next to cocobolo if you ask me. Or think again about the cocobolo. Does she prefer light or dark colors in general?

And don't buy a pre-made rosette. It'll be more special if you do it yourself, and it will kill your fear of making them The easiest is a solid wood ring bordered by purfling lines. Just run the circle cutter a couple times on a piece of wood to cut out the ring, run it on the top to cut the pocket, inlay the circle, and then cut more circles for the purfling lines. The purflings conveniently cover up any slop in fitting of the ring

EDIT: Search-fu successful. Here is that chocolate guitar http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=31810&p=419976

Couple of pics of the coco and pi together , I know the only tast I have is in my mouth

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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Yup, I like the coco+pink, but not the maple. I'd go with a dark piece of walnut. Redwood top. Or maybe a pinkish sitka. But that's only if she likes dark colors.

For lighter, spruce top, mahogany neck and maple binding is always nice, if a bit boring. Better would be to swap out the coco for Honduran rosewood, and use the maple neck, and something darker like Indian rosewood for the bindings. I have a few more light colored Honduran sets like the one in my build thread here if you want one http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10130&t=34382. They're parlor width, but long, and the sides are big enough for anything so you could add a center wedge of maple to match the neck and get it however wide you want.

You could also do all maple for the back/sides and neck, with the pink ivory binding, if she likes the sound of maple guitars. I've been wanting to do that combo, maybe even with a maple top.

Coco with w-b-w purf and curly koa bindings



Dave F.

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Lacewood makes nice binding for Cocobolo. Disregard the Sycamore layer of purfling. It was a coverup for an error on this guitar, and looks like it. Without it, it would have looked much better.

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I actually don't mind the combo of the pi and coco, but what about going with a coco binding and inbetween the sides/binding put a super thin pink fiber line as purfling? For the top purf, you could just add a black on the inside for separation. That's just what I would do. It's a little more edgy than the pi for binding imo. But if your daughter is involved in the choices, it's kind of her call.

I had thought of that , maybe black strip seperating the PI and coco at the base and at the perfling . thanks everyone for the input .

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

I've got a similar build in the planning stages but I've got all the woods worked out.

B&S- coco
binding- curly maple
rosette- BWB/coco scraps/abalone/coco scraps/BWB
fretboard- coco with maple strips inlaid
neck- curly maple/coco/curly maple laminate
head plate- coco
bridge- coco
end graft maple/coco/maple

nice and simple but well matched. I can see it in my head clearly! Waiting to get more experienced though. The coco is that amazing stuff in my avatar and I want to make it a fanned fret bari. Those two things are going to need to be attempted on some less amazing wood first.

A soundboardless guitar?

DF

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