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 Post subject: EM6000 + CA
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:22 pm 
Hi Guys..

Sorry if this has been covered.. I did spend an hour searching

Anyone pore filling with CA and top coating with EM6000? I'm sick of pore filling with epoxy..!

Thanks, Michael


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 Post subject: Re: EM6000 + CA
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:35 pm 
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It always surprises me to hear people say they don't like pore filling with epoxy because I've found it so easy and straight forward. I can't imagine using CA wouldn't be more messy and difficult. The method I use requires only one coat of epoxy followed by a quick wipe on of diluted epoxy after light sanding to ensure no splotchiness from sanding through to wood. Here's a summary of my method I sent to another member via PM recently in case you're interested:

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The method I have found works best for me is to apply a liberal coat of epoxy and let it sit on the wood surface until it begins to set up. I wait for it to get to about the consistency of honey. I haven't timed it but I think it's about 30 minutes, maybe 40. What I do is apply the epoxy, then take the mixing cup with the excess epoxy in it with me upstairs while I wait, checking the epoxy in the cup with the mixing stick frequently to see if it's beginning to thicken. When it starts thickening I head back down to my shop. I use a single edge razor with the corners rounded over to "squeegee" off the excess epoxy from the wood surface. I wipe the epoxy off the blade with a paper towel after each swipe.

I find several benefits to doing it this way as opposed to using a squeegee to apply the epoxy and remove the excess immediately: 1) it allows the epoxy more time to soak into the pores, helping ensure they get completely filled, 2) removing the epoxy after it has thickened seems to avoid the epoxy getting "dragged" out of the pores, as happens to some degree when using a squeegee or credit card to remove the excess while the epoxy is still thin. So, only one coat is required to fill the pores, rather than 2 or 3 coats, and 3) the razor blade leaves a VERY thin coat on the surface so very little sanding is required before padding on the final, diluted coat.

I let the pore fill coat set overnight and apply the diluted coat first thing in the morning. First, I scrape the surface with a single edge razor (corners rounded over to avoid scratches) to remove any ridges in the cured epoxy. Then I sand very lightly (I think I used 400, but it probably doesn't matter much). I add roughly 2 parts alcohol to 1 part thoroughly mixed epoxy, mix well and pad on with a folded paper towel.

I would probably wait 3 - 4 days for that final thinned coat to dry before beginning your French polishing. You should probably try this thinned coat on scrap first to make sure it cures nice and hard with your epoxy / alcohol combination.

Using the above method I have not noticed any shrink-back of the epoxy in the pores.

Also, if you find your pore fill coat didn't completely fill all the pores, you could do a second coat the morning following the first application, then do the diluted coat that evening. I like to wait less than 24 hours between epoxy coats so they bond chemically as well as mechanically.


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 Post subject: Re: EM6000 + CA
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:52 pm 
Thanks for your reply..

I'll give your process a try. I should have also mentioned that I'm working with Wenge B&Ss.. Deepdeepdeepdeepporesporesporespores....

Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: EM6000 + CA
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:36 pm 
Charlie..

I forgot to ask what epoxy you using..

Thanks, Michael


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 Post subject: Re: EM6000 + CA
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:01 pm 
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Zpoxy is what I've used, although I think System 3 or West would work just as well. Might want to test on scrap first to be sure, and get some practice with the technique, timing, etc. Don't forget to round over the corners on the razor so you don't scratch anything. A fresh razor is important too. I use the single edge ones like in the photo below as opposed to the ones used in utility knives. They have just a bit of flex which I think helps in getting a really think coat. I hope it works out for you.

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 Post subject: Re: EM6000 + CA
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:20 pm 
My problem with epoxy isn't the results but the time. I actually did some experimenting this afternoon using SB112. The results are promising.

I've got some zpoxy on the way. 1/3 the cure time of the SB112.

Thanks again for the tip.


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